Tuesday, June 07, 2016

Ok magic, i took the bait

Magic Johnson is on record as saying his showtime lakers would beat this version of the Golden State Warriors. That's a nice sentiment. His argument is "who would guard Kareem, who would guard James Worthy". So I decided to give it a try and break it down.

For those of you that don't know, i'm talking about the NBA, and that's basketball, a sport with an orange ball and 10 dudes running round in sneakers, long shorts and tank tops.

So here is the matchups that I see

Starters:
Magic Johnson - Andre Igoudala
Byron Scott - Steph Curry
James Worthy - Klay Thompson
Kareem - Andrew Bogut
AC Green - Draymond Green


Bench:
Billy Thompson - Harrison Barnes
Michael Cooper - Shaun Livingston/Leandro Barbosa
Kurt Rambis - Festus Ezeli
Mychal Thompson - Mareese Speights/Anderson Varejao



So here's the deal. The showtime lakers were really only 7 deep, with Rambis and AC Green being the two bench guys. And really they played a six man rotation for the most part. If you look at the minutes played for the 86-87 Lakers, huge dropoff after those 6 main guys, and the 87-88 lakers had Mychal Thompson play more instead of an injured Kurt Rambis. I had a hard time coming up with 8 guys from the Lakers let alone 9 guys.

Kareem was 40 years old at this point. To think that Andrew Bogut couldn't guard the ghost of Kareem is a little disrespectful to Bogut. Bogut's not awesome, but he can clog up the paint and play defense. Magic in his prime was a beast to guard. But was he better than Lebron James? Seriously, was he? Because Magic was a lot slower, and dude shot 19% from 3pt range, Andre Igoudala is very underrated defensively. Would we assume that Magic would have had a better time against Igoudala than Lebron has? I wouldn't. James Worthy vs Klay Thompson would have been a battle. Kerr might have moved Klay to guard AC green and let Draymond bang with James Worthy, because Worthy was more of a back to the basket guy, and AC was the offensive rebound, and virgin type. I mean seriously, a virgin in the NBA, that's just hogwash. Byron Scott might have posed a problem for Steph, so maybe you Klay out on Byron Scott, who knows. Bottom line, is that the showtime lakers weren't invincible. Flip the script now, how in the hell is a 6 man rotation (or maybe 7) of big slow dudes, gonna keep up with the Warriors. Magic and Byron would be so tired from chasing dudes around, it would be ridiculous. Pace of play seemed like it would be on the Lakers side, right, they scored more points (117/gm) and seemed to be running and gunning all the time. Nope that's not the case at all. Pace of play is almost identical, 101.6 for the lakers compared to 99.3 for the Warriors. Lakers shot about 51% from the field (2pts) vs 49% from the field for the Warriors. The Warriors were basically even in attempts with the lakers 7,245-7,159 (2pt attempts). We won't even talk about 3pt shooting, because the comparisons are ridiculous, Lakers shot 37% from 3 on 447 attempts, lets just say the warriors are better (41% on almost 2,600 attempts).
So that's a lot of data, or whatever. But the truth is, the two teams play a similar style. To say that the Lakers would have pounded and ground down the Warriors is just false. That's not how they played. Magic might have had a heart attack by half-time, or his fake AIDS would have flared up and he would have tapped out. Of all the comparisons to teams of yesteryear, this one makes the least sense to me, and I think the Warriors would have ran the Lakers out of the building.

147 comments:

Meiz said...

I think you switch Klay & Dray.

Meiz said...

Also, I think there's going to be a 30 for 30 about AC green being a virgin.

Meiz said...

NS

Tyler said...

Hey, a new post!

Tyler said...

I always hate these fantasy matchups because unless you stipulate which rules they play by, it's pointless. If they play in the '80s and they can knock Steph's teeth out and not get called for a foul, then the Lakers win. If you play by today's rules where if you breath on a guy wrong it's a foul, then the Warriors win.

Tyler said...

Shaq also said that the 2001 Lakers would beat the Warriors. Need a breakdown of that too.

Tyler said...

That one is hard because Shaq and Kobe played so many minutes.

Meiz said...

And nobody seems to remember peak Shaq. Unstoppable.

Blue said...

i don't think the rules matter in this matchup. 80's rules, the warriors still shoot it up and score big-time

i'm not discounting the thuggery that could have happened. But the bottom line is the fundamental talent of the warriors from a shooting and athleticism standpoint is far beyond the showtime lakers.

Magic in today's game would me a middle of the road player, or at best he'd be draymond Green. He wouldn't be the best player in the game, the speed, athleticism and skill of todays players is far better. Larry Bird couldn't play in this era of basketball

Blue said...

The 3 in a row lakers with Shaq were good, that would be a good matchup. But who would shaq guard in that scenario? He'd have a heart attack midway through the 1st quarter from all the running.

Blue said...

it's ok to say a team now is better than a team back then.

basically this is what the warriors would look like Sweet River Baines against the showtime lakers.

Meiz said...

I don't even know what that means

Blue said...

Google sweet River baines

Meiz said...

Ah, I remember that. Hilarity.

Keef said...

Dellavedova is worthless

Aitch said...

Nice breakdown, Blue

Keef said...

Destin gonna win Belmont

Keef said...

Damn missed by a nose

Aitch said...

Now you're fake broke again

Keef said...

No, I only bet 20 fake dollars on this one.

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tem said...

No problem

tem said...

Comparisons of teams from today vs teams of yesteryear always slay me. Players are bigger stronger faster now great teams from the past would be average today.

Like the 70s Steelers would barely make the playoffs today.

Keef said...

well they would be bigger stronger faster if they played today

Blue said...

hey loran, thanks for stopping by

Blue said...

"well they would be bigger stronger faster if they played today"

probably not, they are much older now than they were then, you dont' get stronger faster as you age unless you're barry bonds

Keef said...

whatta never heard of old man strength?

Keef said...

Some due shot 89 today at the US Open. Mize would still probably break 100

tem said...

I could shoot 89

tem said...

Would Take me 6 holes tops.

Meiz said...

Mize is fucking horrible at golf now.

Keef said...

Billy Bob. Dead.

The varsity blues one.

Keef said...

Prince Be. Dead

Keef said...

DRose to the Knickerbockers

tem said...

Pat summit dead

tem said...

This is the place for all news

Keef said...

Don't forget Buddy Ryan

Keef said...

Is LUV a good stock to buy right now?

Keef said...

Cool, thanks.

Keef said...

hsil is pregnant

Keef said...

cmk wants to buy this house even though we're not in the market for a house.

Meiz said...

"hsil is pregnant"

*plays Taps*

tem said...

90 photos of that house?

Keef said...

seems high

tem said...

Banks are back to approving anyone for any loan

tem said...

Advise * would be make sure you can really afford the monthly payments/taxes /insurance

Keef said...

well yeah

tem said...

Not so obvious to lots of americans

Keef said...

The plan was to wait until bgas2 was in kindergarten and we would have that daycare expense go away and then we would look. This house is exactly what we're looking for, so we'll probably be living tighter than normal for two years before we lose that $900/mo expense for daycare.

Keef said...

Plus, interest rate would be about 3.75. We currently have 4.75. Who knows what it'll be in 2 years

Aitch said...

Keith's headed back to home depot

tem said...

Yep. HD it is

Keef said...

Nah. Gaining $400/mo by quitting and bgas1 getting out of daycare

Keef said...

I have 9 more days at HD.

tem said...

Wouldn't you gain more by not quitting and bgas getting out of day care?

Keef said...

Of course. But I'm tired of not being at home at night. Bgas1 is starting kindergarten. I want to be home and be able to help her do homework and read to them and put them to bed. 7 years is enough, stick a fork in me.

tem said...

Make cmk work at HD

Meiz said...

That's the best idea.

Keef said...

Nighttime is when real housewives is on

Blue said...

Dvr

Blue said...

Or could save more money by dropping cable

tem said...

We should rebrand LOV as a finance blog

Meiz said...

Really.

Meiz said...

Rev paid $300 to see Hall & fucking Oates today. What in the entire fuck?

Keef said...

Or could save more money by dropping cable


Was talking about that last night with filok because he just got Roku. But apparently cmk can't live without Bravo

Keef said...

Saw that house yesterday. It isn't a no, but not ready to make an offer.

Meiz said...

Sling. I stuck with Time Warner because they beat Sling by $3.

El Padrino said...

Remember when Kobe butt raped a sweet little hotel employee. That was fun.

Keef said...

I don't think I'll ever go to France

tem said...

300 seems fair for the 3 seats he needs.

El Padrino said...

Tiffany Trump meow

Keef said...

What's wrong with her face?

El Padrino said...

It doesn't have my jizz on it

Keef said...

Putting our house on the market on Monday. Owners of the house we want won't take any contingency offers. That means I'm gonna be spending the next 3 days slaving trying to get it ready to show.

tem said...

Have the contingency be based on a home inspection and then if your house doesn't sell timely just bail due to the home inspection. Every home inspector finds something wrong with the house.

I don't think any seller denies a home inspection contingency.

Keef said...

Rhey already know our house isn't listed yet. Would be hard to now make a home inspection contingency. I know we need to get our house listed, just trying to get all the little stuff fixed up in 4 day is a bitch. #whitepeopleproblems

Meiz said...

More reasons I will never buy a house

tem said...

Oh you already offered....may be in contract?

Keef said...

More reasons I will never buy a house



That's a dumb reason

Aitch said...

I'd say the reason you'll never buy a house is because you're broke.

Keef said...

And lazy

Meiz said...

Definitely lazy. Fuck all that extra work.

Keef said...

House is officially for sale

Keef said...

Got an offer above asking price today

Keef said...

Our house is under contract. < than 2 days on the market. Boom.

Keef said...

Other house accepted our offer. Closing in a month.

ToddPacker said...

congrats, Keith

Meiz said...

Well that escalated quickly.

tem said...

Glad to see the market is hot.

tem said...

Meiz why did some guy just jack your leg up?

ToddPacker said...

meiz, what the fuck is horseshoe throwers deal?

ToddPacker said...

pretty rare i2i in these lov days

Keef said...

Thanks tp

Keef said...

Just finished my last night at HD.

Keef said...

I like how Mize deletes our fb comments. Baby.

Aitch said...

Nice, dude! Glad it worked out!

Keef said...

Thanks man.

tem said...

he deletes his FB stuff? not surprising.

Keef said...

Jug & I made some comments on his injury post and he deleted them.

Meiz said...

"Meiz why did some guy just jack your leg up?"

I don't know. He told my buddy, under his breath, that he doesn't like that Smashing Pumpkins looking motherfucker. 20 minutes later, he fires a horseshoe at me. I literally have a hole in my shin. It's STILL BLEEDING.

Klanmaster says he'll take care of it. He literally might stab the motherfucker if he shows up to horseshoes Wednesday.

Meiz said...

"Jug & I made some comments on his injury post and he deleted them."

My page, not yours. Get over it.

Keef said...

Ha, he's telling me to get over it. Maybe there's a hole in your leg because your skin is so thin.

Aitch said...

"Maybe there's a hole in your leg because your skin is so thin."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

tem said...

That's the best burn in awhile on here.

Of course at 1 comment a week....

Jugdish said...

More reasons I will never buy a house



mize

Keef said...

John Saunders. Dead.

Keef said...

Happy 10th bday, LOV

Keef said...

Stop burning your city down, mize

ToddPacker said...

can you still celebrate a birthday if you're dead?

Keef said...

Started back at the gym around memorial day, down about 15 lbs so far. Currently at 197. Goal is 185. Hopefully I won't see hello 200 lbs again.

Meiz said...

I'm down to 210 these days.

Keef said...

I'm down to 210 these days. Stones, not lbs.

/rev

tem said...

I'm up to 294.

not really.

still 220 ish. seems slim after the 294 mention. need to find some fat friends to hang out with to look better by comparison.

Keef said...

Mr. Fuji
Gene Wilder
????

Thomas Magers said...

I mixed up Wilder and Hackman. Realized wasn't a huge Wilder fan...also realized liked Hackman.

Thomas Magers said...

Fucking google

Keef said...

How the fuck do you not like gene wilder?

Keef said...

It's moving day

ToddPacker said...

how is the LoV NFL preview coming along?

Keef said...

AFC division winners
NE, Cincy, Jax, Oak
Wild Card
Pit, Bal

NFC division winners
NYG, GB, Car, Sea
Wild Card
AZ, NO

AFC
Pit over Cindy
NFC
AZ over SEA

Super BowlTM Champs
Pit

Keef said...

Cindy is grate

Aitch said...

Hahaha! He thinks Cincy will win a playoff game.

Keef said...

No, I think Cindy will win a playoff game.

Meiz said...

"how is the LoV NFL preview coming along?"

Swimmingly.

Keef said...

Jug sure pimps Chuck's Sports Bar and Memorabilia a lot

Keef said...

5 years ago today was Austin

ToddPacker said...

5 years ago today was Meiz calling a Braun HR in Austin

/fixed

Keef said...

I don't remember that

Keef said...

Jose Fernandez. Dead.

ToddPacker said...

"I don't remember that"

meiz tweeted it, so it must be true

Keef said...

he tweets a lot

Blue said...

Arnold Palmer died

Aitch said...

Cubs' curse died

ToddPacker said...

Simmon's HBO show died

Beth said...

LOV died.

Professor Chaos said...

HOLY SHIT - THIS IS STILL A THING. Good work out of you guys for carrying this on. What's new? I trust you guys will find comfort in the fact that I have been shutting down the weasel for the past decade, in nearly every walk of life.

Corbin Out

Meiz said...

Whoa.

Meiz said...

"I don't remember that"

The infamous cake bar. 2 on, 1 out, 2-1 count, Prince on deck.

Tyler said...

I can verify, I was standing right next to him when he said it. Bartender was in shock. I think we got free shots?

Beth said...

So the Falcons FINALLY make the Super Bowl(tm) but LOV is too dead for EP to do a Super Bowl(tm) preview column picking the Patriots and making me feel better about the Falcons' chances.

Sigh.


Seriously though, not sure if anyone will see this before the game but I am actually kind of curious to see what kind of chances people on here think the Falcons have. Well except for H, he's part of the Evil Empire so his opinion doesn't count. :) As for me, I'm surprisingly confident.

Aitch said...

Hi, Beth. :-)

Keef said...

Falcons lost

Beth said...

Actually Keith, "lost" is being too kind. I think that game was the closest I'll ever get to knowing what a guy feels like when he gets kicked in the balls.

Keef said...

You know what that feels like

/zeke

tem said...

falcons did lose. keith was correct.

tem said...

I just remembered my password today

Keef said...

DOUBLE DRAGON!

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