Tuesday, May 12, 2015

Deflategate? B.S.

Ok, so you knew this was coming.

I'll start off by saying that I try not to be a Boston sports homer. I try to stay as level headed as possible. I don't always succeed. Do I think the footballs in question were potentially under inflated on purpose? Yes, it is absolutely possible. It would be na├»ve of me to think otherwise. NFL teams, and pro teams in general, always try to push the envelope of the rules to gain any advantage they can. "Gamesmanship" is as old as sport itself. That said, and I cannot emphasize this enough, I do not believe that Tom Brady told the ball boys to break any rules, nor do I think the Wells report proved any intentional impropriety. There are too many holes in the investigative process to justify this punishment. Let's look at a couple key points.

First and foremost, in my opinion, the most crucial piece of information is not included anywhere in the report. What was the exact psi of both the Patriots' and Colts' footballs when measured by Walt Anderson prior to the AFC Championship Game? This info is at the crux of the entire issue and the report relies on Anderson's recollection as opposed to any documentation. I don't know much about Walt Anderson, other than he is a 19 year veteran NFL official and has a pretty good reputation. That said, doesn't he have a vested interest in protecting his professional reputation? If he came out and said he didn't properly measure prior to the game, wouldn't he now be the one under fire? That is a huge issue to me as far as credibility goes. The other issue with the lack of documented pregame numbers is that the report later asserts that the Patriots' footballs decreased in pressure to a greater degree than the Colts' footballs. Again, relying upon Anderson's recollection of the numbers instead of documented fact. It's very easy to manipulate facts without a starting point being written down. Do I think it is a conspiracy and Anderson hates the Patriots? Absolutely not, but I do feel that there is an inherent interest in protecting his own reputation and image and therefore a conflict of interest in his recollection.

The second issue is that Roger Goodell was asked at his Super Bowl press conference about whether the NFL had ever tested air pressure during halftime of any game in the league's history. Goodell replied that he couldn't say whether they had or hadn't, which to me suggests the latter. If it were common practice, then the Commissioner would have said so. That said, there once again is no reference point (scientists call it a control group) for comparison. During the course of a game, footballs are thrown with great force, hit with helmets as defenders attempt to knock it loose, spiked in celebration, and fallen on by very large men, sometimes several of them at a time. How do we know that any of the above don't or can't affect the psi of the footballs? In short, we can't because they've never measured them before and have no way to show the allegedly decrease in pressure was abnormal.

Also at issue is the fact that 2 separate gauges were used at halftime, showing two different measurements for each of the measured footballs (12 Patriots', 4 Colts'). 2 men using 2 different gauges came up with 2 different measurements each time. The report states that Anderson can't remember which gauge he used pregame versus which he used at halftime. He thinks he used one, but the report asserts that he must have used the other. Again, why? If you're going to rely on his recollection for the baseline psi numbers, why are you then going to refute his recollection of which gauge he used? Because it makes the alleged drop in pressure seem more egregious and damning.

Let's move on to the supposedly incriminating text messages between McNally and Jastremski. (Bird and JJ, respectively.) These texts are taken completely out of context, and we're supposed to take them at face value, with no potential for hyperbole or sarcasm. I read those messages as two guys bitching about their boss. We all do it and we all know other people who do to. How does this prove anything? Yes, McNally referred to himself as "The Deflator." Does this mean Brady told him to set an illegal pressure? Is it outside the realm of reasonable possibility that Brady was upset about game balls not being up to his liking, yelled about it because he wanted them at the minimum level, and the two guys joking about that? If he likes them at 12.5 psi and got them at 13.5 or 14 or 16, wouldn't the name Deflator still apply? Why is this nickname taken to mean something nefarious was going on? Also, nowhere in those text messages does it state that Brady wants the balls set at a particular psi, legal or otherwise. In fact, the only reference to a specific psi was when one of them was lamenting how "the refs f**ked us" by inflating the balls to 16 psi, which he found when he measured them the next day. So, are we to believe that the guy who was allegedly deflating footballs after the refs measure them left them at such a high level?

Now comes Tom Brady. The report states that he lied when he stated that he didn't know McNally, whose nickname around the locker room is bird. You all have known me for years as H. If it wasnt for Facebook friendships, many of you wouldn't know my real name. If someone asked you, "Hey, how's Mike Hilario doing, you might think you don't know me. I have had friends from the music and bar scene who had known me for years without knowing my real name. So if they said they didn't know me, would that make them liars?

As far as the cell phone issue, I can understand Brady not wanting to give his phone to investigators. Like all of us, he likely has personal information on there, conversations with his wife and family, and other potentially sensitive, unrelated information on his phone. With the number of leaks that came out of the NFL offices and other sources in this and other recent investigations, I can understand the concern that personal info could be leaked to the public. We all remember the iCloud hack of not long ago. Is it possible that Brady has similar type of material on his phone? That is only one of literally hundreds of possibilities that could make someone want to hold onto their phone. I don't think his refusal is an admission of guilt. Other than this one area, Brady cooperated fully with the investigation, and the report states as much.

I could go on, but I think I've sufficiently poked enough holes in the report on which the NFL relied upon to determine their punishment of Brady and the Patriots Organization. How you can turn around and justify such a steep penalty using this flawed document is mind boggling. I reference again a quote from page 228 of the report. "In sum, the data did not provide a basis for us to determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering as the analysis of such data ultimately is dependent upon assumptions and information that is not certain." Case closed. The report also states that Bill Belichick and the Patriots likely did not know of any tampering that may have occurred.

This penalty is simply an overreaction and response to public pressure and outcry. The NFL botched the initial punishments for Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, and Greg Hardy last season. With the Rice suspension specifically, the initial 2 game suspension was only increased after TMZ released the footage from the elevator, which the NFL to this day denies seeing before that day. After the public outcry, Rice's suspension was increased in length. So, rather than risk another misstep, the NFL released the report last week, waited to gauge public sentiment, and then determined punishment. That is absolutely ridiculous and unfair scapegoating of Tom Brady and the Patriots.

I know I'm going to get slammed for this whole thing, but the point is the NFL doesn't have the evidence required for such a harsh penalty. I really hope that this another case where the NFL loses on appeal, but in general I am very disappointed and surprised about what has transpired here.

496 comments:

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Keef said...

If it were common practice, then the Commissioner would have said so.



Common practice is completely different than "has it ever been done"

Jugdish said...

I don't think his refusal is an admission of guilt.


that's why they said "more probable than not".

I didn't read the report and I'm not going to, so I'm just going off what I hear on the radio. If they had the other guy's phone doesn't that show the whole text conversation?

Aitch said...

If they have the other guys' phone, why do they need Brady's? Like I said, he could have sensitive personal info like we all do. It doesn't necessarily mean it's something incriminating as relates to this investigation. Could it be? Sure, but it could also be a bunch of other possibilities.

Jugdish said...

Now comes Tom Brady. The report states that he lied when he stated that he didn't know McNally, whose nickname around the locker room is bird.


I bet brady has this as bird's ringtone

Jugdish said...

If they have the other guys' phone, why do they need Brady's?


to do a complete investigation?

Jugdish said...

How do we know that any of the above don't or can't affect the psi of the footballs? In short, we can't because they've never measured them before and have no way to show the allegedly decrease in pressure was abnormal.


Mythbusters needs to get on this.

Aitch said...

I'd be ok with that

Aitch said...

But the problem of no starting point would remain.

Jugdish said...

This penalty is simply an overreaction and response to public pressure and outcry.


I'm not so sure about this. At this point with the NFL no matter what they do there is overreaction and public pressure and outcry. Do you think there should have been no suspension at all?

Jugdish said...

But the problem of no starting point would remain.


just use a range of what the rules say the legal psi is.

Jugdish said...

you didn't address the fine and lost draft picks that the team got. What are your thoughts on those?

With all the research you've done, what do you think the appropriate response from the NFL would have been?

Meiz said...

Day old Panera definitely holds up better than Cousins or Subway

Meiz said...

"I'm not so sure about this. At this point with the NFL no matter what they do there is overreaction and public pressure and outcry. Do you think there should have been no suspension at all?"


The pussification of America continues

Meiz said...

This isn't even news if it happens in 1973 NFL.

And I'M SURE QBs have been messing with balls forever

Jugdish said...

I was surprised he got 4 games. I thought that was the max he could get for this.

Jugdish said...

The pussification of America continues


blame social media for the public outcry

Jugdish said...

This isn't even news if it happens in 1973 NFL.


live in the now, man!

Jugdish said...

I wish I could pause live radio like I can live tv

Keef said...

They suspended him 4 games so that when he appeals they can give him 2

Keef said...

Nfl doesn't need beyond a reasonable doubt to give a punishment. Way too many people think that

Jugdish said...

They suspended him 4 games so that when he appeals they can give him 2


agreed

Aitch said...

"Do you think there should have been no suspension at all?"

I think you could justify 1 game for not giving the cell phone to investigators. Cite lack of cooperation or conduct detrimental and call it a day.

Keef said...

I'm ok with Brady being suspended. I think the fine and taking 2 draft picks as punishment was a little extreme

Keef said...

H. Do you think had zero knowledge of them being deflated?

NS

Aitch said...

As for the fine and picks, I think you can't slam the organization like that when your own report says they didn't know.

Aitch said...

"Nfl doesn't need beyond a reasonable doubt to give a punishment."

I'm aware

Keef said...

I'm ok with a fine for the Pats. The ball boys are employees and this falls under the lack of institutional control, basically

Aitch said...

"H. Do you think had zero knowledge of them being deflated"

I assume you mean Brady? And honestly, I think he told the guys how he liked his footballs based on feel and they prepped them that way. I don't think it was as cut and dry as "I like them set at 12 psi." I think he liked one, tossed it to them and said make them all like this. I honestly don't think they got into specific numbers. I don't think he intentionally subverted the rules and nothing I've seen refutes that.

Aitch said...

"I'm ok with a fine for the Pats. The ball boys are employees and this falls under the lack of institutional control, basically"

I could live with that, but the picks are way over the top.

Meiz said...

I think it was definitely done on purpose, but not necessarily with the intent to break a rule.

Keef said...

And honestly, I think he told the guys how he liked his footballs based on feel and they prepped them that way.

That's fair enough. I think if he came out front and said something to this effect, and said that if it fell below the appropriate limit he took ownership for that, this would have been over and nobody would be talking about it now.

Jugdish said...

did the equipment guys get fired yet?

Jugdish said...

didn't brady say something about not having a preference on the balls...and then at another time said he liked them with less air?

Keef said...

Brady got suspended because he acted guilty

Meiz said...

"did the equipment guys get fired yet?"

I thought I saw they were either fired or suspended. Not sure which one.

Jugdish said...

I read that they were suspended indefinitely, but hadn't seen anything on them being fired yet.

Jugdish said...

#bradystrong

Jugdish said...

/H

Jugdish said...

#ballguysstrong

Aitch said...

"did the equipment guys get fired yet?"

Both were suspended indefinitely by the team on 5/6. They can't be reinstated without the permission of Troy Vincent. If they are reinstated at any point this season, they are banned from prepping game balls for the entirety of the 2015 season.

Aitch said...

No Brady, no banner. Haha

Blue said...

Troy vincent seemed to think the punishment was fair

Blue said...

i thought it was a little extreme, but when i heard the justification (that they are treating it just like a performance enhancing drug suspension) then I fall in line.

So if they're going to rule it was performance enhancing then they have to give him the 4 games, per the precedent and stipulations set in the CBA. Yes he will be able to appeal, how many guys have won their appeals on performance enhancing drugs?

ToddPacker said...

I wonder how Pats fans would react if this was Manning (either one), not Brady, in the middle of this mess?

Blue said...

yeah, a guy called into dan patrick today and said the pats season ticket holders will boycott the game


who gives a shit, you already paid for your ticket. So the pats don't make as much money on selling beer and brats? That's not a punishment to the NFL

Aitch said...

No one will boycott, obviously

Aitch said...

I certainly admit my New England bias, but I'd like to think I'm level headed enough that I would say 4 games was excessive.

Aitch said...

I also won't even address the conflict of interest that is Troy Vincent.

Keef said...

H won't answer the manning question because he knows what the answer is

Tyler said...

"I certainly admit my New England bias, but I'd like to think I'm level headed enough that I would say 4 games was excessive."

It will get knocked down to 2 games. If they gave him 2 games, then it would get knocked down to 1 or zero. I'm fine with high-siding it and letting the arbitrator figure it out because it always gets knocked down. Unfortunately, with the Union and the CBA, that's the game that must be played.

Tyler said...

Everyone is making a mountain out of a molehill; wait until the arbitrator says something.

Tyler said...

The fines and the picks are kind of excessive, but given their history, I can see why they are that stiff.

Keef said...

Hey Tyler

Tyler said...

Hey Keith. It's been awhile since I've been on here.

Tyler said...

I heard about that boycott thing too. Ridiculous. No one's boycotting anything.

Aitch said...

"Aitch said...
I certainly admit my New England bias, but I'd like to think I'm level headed enough that I would say 4 games was excessive.

May 12, 2015 at 1:26 PM Delete

Blogger Keef said...
H won't answer the manning question because he knows what the answer is

May 12, 2015 at 2:08 PM Delete"

Um...

Keef said...

Yeah because those comments are so obviously related

Aitch said...

"The fines and the picks are kind of excessive, but given their history, I can see why they are that stiff."

You can't say they have nothing to with it on one hand and then whack them the way you did.

Aitch said...

"ToddPacker said...
I wonder how Pats fans would react if this was Manning (either one), not Brady, in the middle of this mess?

May 12, 2015 at 1:19 PM"

Sorry that I took 7 minutes to answer. Suspend me 4 days.

Tyler said...

"You can't say they have nothing to with it on one hand and then whack them the way you did."

Of course it had something to do with it even if they say it didn't. That's how punishments work. Punishment for the 2nd infraction is always more than the 1st. Otherwise there would be no deterrent.

Aitch said...

I hear you, Tyler, and I agree. My point is the hypocrisy.

Tyler said...

"My point is the hypocrisy."

Well, yeah, that's what everyone is up in arms about because they're so erratic.

I honestly think a lot of the blame has to go to the system they've set up. You have the NFL, the Union and a CBA. Getting those three to work together flawlessly is never going to happen. The Union is trying to game the system for their players. The NFL is trying to game the system for the owners and sponsors. There will be casualties.

Keef said...

Sorry that I took 7 minutes to answer. Suspend me 4 days.



So bitter

Tyler said...

And I know there are other leagues with management, a union, and a CBA, but there is something between the NFL and the Players Union that just seems to make everyone involved act more irrationally than others.

Meiz said...

Who's the new guy?

tem said...

"I'm ok with Brady being suspended. I think the fine and taking 2 draft picks as punishment was a little extreme"

patriots employees did the deflating. after spygate and all the stuff patriots lose the benefit of the doubt and are guilty before innocent. they have a lack of institutional control.

$1M is peanuts and losing the 31st pick isn't big either.

El Padrino said...

If Brady just would have manned up and said you know What I instruct the equipment guys to take out as much air as possible up to the legal amount. It's my preference. If they went too far I apologize it was never my intent to break the rule or their attempt to break the rule.

Instead he just said he knew Nothing about it which probably enraged the NFL because Cmo. Obvi he knew the equipment guys lowered the balls for him Regularly.

He's a coward. And a bitch. With baby hands for holding his baby nuts. Fuck him.

El Padrino said...

And his Fucking coach cheated for years. Like literally cheated.

Tyler said...

I was just going to post this comment and EP basically said the same thing:

I honestly think that if Brady came out and said, "Yeah, I messed up and I'm sorry, it won't happen again" this wouldn't be a whole thing.

tem said...

brady got suspended because he didn't man up in the first place and just say that he liked soft balls. he could have stopped this shit in its tracks but didn't. he acting like he had something to hide, then he refused to let them have his cell phone when he was already on thin ice.

he got suspended for his actions after the balls, not pre ball.

El Padrino said...

Double Dragon!

El Padrino said...

Sorry your hero is a cunt Mike

Tyler said...

Triple dragon?

Keef said...

I said that at 12:37

Keef said...

Sorry your hero is a cunt Mike


This made my day

Tyler said...

Quadruple Dragon then.

Keef said...

Double double dragon

tem said...

I'm just apparently posting what other people have already posted.

tem said...

that's what I get for posting while I read shit instead of just reading it all.

Tyler said...

Hi temwr87

Aitch said...

"after spygate and all the stuff patriots lose the benefit of the doubt and are guilty before innocent."

By this logic, Suh should have been suspended for stomping Aaron Rodgers, but because he went 32 games without incident, he was considered a first time offender. The Patriots go 8 years without incident, but they're still repeat offenders? Again, hypocrisy.

Jugdish said...

The Patriots go 8 years without getting caught, but they're still repeat offenders?



fixed


Keef said...

Grate fix

Keef said...

Suh should have been suspended for stomping Aaron Rodgers, but because he went 32 games without incident, he was considered a first time offender.


So he shouldn't have been suspended. Got it.

Aja, you're comparing 2 completely different things.

Jugdish said...

Again, hypocrisy.


There will always be what appears to be randomness to these situations and punishments, but they have to take them on a case by case basis because every situation is different. For example, the patriots cheating this time is different than them cheating last time.

Jugdish said...

Aja, you're comparing 2 completely different things.


this

Blue said...

How boute them wizards

Tyler said...

Blue's comment at 1:19 nailed it. Their justification is it was performance enhancing. Per the CBA, that's a four game suspension. Suh didn't get popped for performance enhancing. Two different things.

Keef said...

Hypocrisy I say!!!!!

/H

Tyler said...

What I would bring up to counter the hypocrisy argument, and again, these are two separate things, but Josh Gordon got one year for weed.

Tyler said...

One year. For weed.

Tyler said...

So you cheat and get 4 games (probably knocked down to 2) but get caught for weed a couple of times and get 1 year (knocked down to 8 games).

Tyler said...

And they changed the CBA after that because they realized that was ridiculous. Now he'd get a 4 game fine for the same level.

Keef said...

Isn't he suspended this season for drinking a beer?

Tyler said...

I think it was for looking at a beer.

Tyler said...

Yeah, he's suspended until 2016. For beer.

Tyler said...

One year. For drinking beer.

Tyler said...

"How boute them wizards"

I am sad they're probably going to lose in this round.

tem said...

"but Josh Gordon got one year for weed."

for weed like 5 times.

at that point he got 1 year for being a moron, not for weed.

tem said...

josh Gordon gets his time for just being an idiot.



Tyler said...

I understand, and yes, he is an idiot, but it's weed vs. a competitive advantage. I know they're two separate things, but seriously, it's weed and/or beer.

Keef said...

What's worse? Being an idiot or cheating?

Keef said...

Goddamn conflicting edits

tem said...

if the hawks keep winning maybe we'll get a beth post.


and then maybe a spiff post explaining why he's getting the boot from ESPN. I mean, what really happened.

Tyler said...

I heard on the radio a month or so ago that scouts consider the drug test an I.Q. test. If you can't pass it, you're an idiot.

Keef said...

Weird that the California guy is ok with weed

S

tem said...

"What's worse? Being an idiot or cheating"

Gordon vs Brady is two different things as well.

but seriously, this is like the 5th time dude got caught doing something he knows he can't do.

he's not getting punished for weed, he's getting punished for being an idiot.

brady isn't getting punished for delating balls, he's getting punished for being a douche.

Keef said...

Guilty as charged

tem said...

"I heard on the radio a month or so ago that scouts consider the drug test an I.Q. test. If you can't pass it, you're an idiot."

twhnbs

seriously, you know you are getting tested, you know the date, you know the fucking time. come on.

tem said...

flip side IQ points don't make tackles or score TDs.

Blue said...

and yet aaron hernandez never tested positive for weed

Blue said...

what's worse, killing a dude, paying a murderer $40M or deflating footballs

Keef said...

The "a liar, a cheater, and a murderer walk into a bar" meme is funny

Tyler said...

"The "a liar, a cheater, and a murderer walk into a bar" meme is funny"

^^^^^^^

Tyler said...

"what's worse, killing a dude, paying a murderer $40M or deflating footballs"

Obviously it's deflating footballs.

Keef said...

Lindsey Vonn claimed that she and Tiger Woods broke up over busy schedules. But MailOnline has learned that Tiger had a one-night stand and Lindsey packed her bags when he confessed



Ha!

tem said...

Tiger should know better than to confess

tem said...

also any girl that dates Tiger and doesn't know he is going to cheat is a bigger moron than someone who fails his NFL drug test 5 times.

Keef said...

Wistem

Meiz said...

Tiger's still the man

Blue said...

maybe he should start winning now

El Padrino said...

Typical

ToddPacker said...

"Sorry your hero is a cunt Mike"

not surprising, Brady did go to a cunt college

Keef said...

Thumbs up

El Padrino said...

Well played old Man. Well played.

Meiz said...

Excellent work, Packer

Aitch said...

Haters

El Padrino said...

18-1

tem said...

so Harden had his flu game?

Meiz said...

FTR, I love Tom Brady

tem said...

I don't like brady.

He seems like a big baby.

Blue said...

he doesn't look anything like Glen Davis

Blue said...

remember when tom had long hair

remember when tom went "wheeee" down the water slide

remember when tom thanked his fans for getting to 1 million facebook likes

remember when tom dumped his pregnant girlfriend

remember when tom wasn't drafted until the 6th round

remember when tom was a benchwarmer at Michigan

remember when bernard pollard crushed tom's knee

remember when Matt Cassell won 11 games

remember when Tom got all excited for Carnivale

remember when Tom wore uggs

remember when Tom was horrible on SNL

Blue said...

remember when tom deflated his balls

remember when tom caused LP to bitchscream

remember when tom didn't care about the boston marathon victims

remember when tom "forgot" about 9/11

remember when tom married a brazilian

remember when tom voted for Romney

remember when tom high fived Aaron Hernandez

remember when tom threw that interception

remember when tom joined the communist party

tem said...

I remember or misremember all of that

Meiz said...

Looks like a CnP

tem said...

FYI it is palindrome week.

Meiz said...

noon

Meiz said...

or were you meaning the date thing?

tem said...

that's one too

tem said...

The date thing

tem said...

All 5-1X-15

Keef said...

Well isn't that special

tem said...

Yes

Blue said...

except it's actual 5-1X-2015

Blue said...

remember when tom thought it was a palindrome week

Blue said...

#bradystrong

Blue said...

#neverdeflate

Jugdish said...

TP

Aitch said...

I love the people pointing out the date thing like it's so amazing...

Except that it will happen again next year in June, then the following year in July, etc, etc, etc.

Jugdish said...

#palindromegate

Keef said...

Aitch is so salty

Meiz said...

I hate when people tweet out a link to an ESPN column that sounds interesting and it winds up being a fucking insider article.

Meiz said...

Schefter says there's someone on the inside in the NFL that's betting Brady's suspension gets overturned.

Pure speculation though.

Jugdish said...

Aitch is so salty


It is more probable than not that Aitch is salty.

/Ted Wells

Aitch said...

Interesting read

Blue said...

sounds like a patriots homer

Aitch said...

So anyone who points out the flaws in the report is a homer. Got it.

Blue said...

pretty much, because the only people who think it's a raw deal are pats fans

Keef said...

You can find anything in the world and point out flaws in it

Aitch said...

"People can come up with numbers to prove anything. 43 percent of people know that, Kent."

-Homer Simpson

Aitch said...

"the only people who think it's a raw deal are pats fans"

False. I've heard a number of national guys saying it's excessive.

Aitch said...

They must be homers, too.

tem said...

"I love the people pointing out the date thing like it's so amazing..."

well I mean it wasn't worth a 1,000 word post, but it's worth a comment.

it's less interesting than EP wanting to grope bitches but probably equally as interesting as meiz's coworker being awkward at conversing with others.

Keef said...

Hypocrisy

Blue said...

it's a phenomenon that we won't ever see in our lives again

tem said...

"Hypocrisy"

always looks spelt wrong

Blue said...

"They must be homers, too."

yes

Blue said...

stites grew up in worcester

Jugdish said...

False. I've heard a number of national guys saying it's excessive.


Bill Simmons?

tem said...

spiff is a saint

tem said...

"Poll: Fans support NFL sanctions against Brady
"

haters
/H

Meiz said...

Well, I got inadvertently tossed under the bus this morning. I'm done with supervisor's boss. He's uninvited from our underground operations.

Aitch said...

"Poll: Fans support NFL sanctions against Brady"

Does this honestly surprise you?

Jugdish said...

from the Pat's reply to the Wells Report...

"Mr. Jastremski would sometimes work out and bulk up — he is a slender guy and his goal was to get to 200 pounds. Mr. McNally is a big fellow and had the opposite goal: to lose weight. “Deflate” was a term they used to refer to losing weight. One can specifically see this use of the term in a Nov. 30, 2014 text from Mr. McNally to Mr. Jastremski: “deflate and give somebody that jacket.” (p. 87). This banter, and Mr. McNally’s goal of losing weight, meant Mr. McNally was the “deflator.” There was nothing complicated or sinister about it."


hilarity

Blue said...

Seems like a stretch to me

Keef said...

Deflate now, ask me how.


/H

tem said...

come on, that response sounds so bullshit they shouldn't even make it. even if it is the truth.

if the truth is that stupid they should keep it to themselves.

El Padrino said...

that doesn't sound like A lie at all

S

Jugdish said...

Mr. McNally is a big fellow and had the opposite goal: to lose weight

#fatgate

Blue said...

these are your people H

tem said...

"his goal was to get to 200 pounds"


mine too!

Blue said...

#fartface

Keef said...

#crickets

Keef said...

\H

Meiz said...

Been debating getting a, Xbox One or a PS4 lately.

tem said...

do you even play video games?

or just getting it to watch blu rays and Netflix?

Keef said...

He's putting it in the Aveo

tem said...

seems like a good plan

Blue said...

Haven't played video games in a minute

Keef said...

Yo tambien. I let my Xbox live expire a while ago

Meiz said...

I haven't played in a while

El Padrino said...

Seriously Kraft and company played themselves today. What an embarrassment. Zero class. The Mara's would never pull a stunt like that. That was Raider-ish.

tem said...

Pats did not help their case with some comments today. All the reasonable things they said were over shadowed by this deflater talk.

Keef said...

Lincecum keeps falling during his delivery

ToddPacker said...

eddie vedder will be letterman's final musical guest.... seems like a good choice

tem said...

I was hoping for wierd al

Keef said...

Maybe Eddie will hang em up too

Keef said...

Cunt band

Keef said...

Bold

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