Friday, May 08, 2009

Manny being Banny

I'm typing this 5 minutes after learning Manny Ramirez will be suspended for 50 games due to a positive test result for PED's. Can't say that I'm shocked. I mean nothing in sports shocks me anymore. Literally nothing. You can tell me Pau Gasol has a vagina and I wouldn't even blink. After the decades long steroid debate I am armored, my armor preserves my sports body. After the Donaghy scandal I became even more armored. Protected from the news. Numb, no feeling. 12 injections from the dentist. Get my point?

Now, back to Manny for a minute. Let's assume he never touched this stuff until recently. God damn we always have to assume! Even when they tell the truth we don't believe it. It's like baseball in the prime of my sports life will forever be tainted. I'm not ok with this. I'm really not. Prior to this day we assumed Manny was the greatest right handed hitter of our time. Maybe even the best. Prior to that we thought or a good majority thought that A-Rod was the greatest right handed hitter of our time. Now that title belongs to Pujols until Selena Roberts finds a pharmacist on the isle of dominicana that said he prescribed Albert some roids and he is not clean. It's going to turn to a time when we look back and say, man Marco Scutaro was the greatest hitter of our time. Sadness.

Ad nausea here I know but how come we only care about steroids in regards to baseball? The most popular sport, which also happens to be the most violent is football. Yet we don't even give a shit when a prominent football player tests positive for steroids. We also probably can't recite the NFL's drug testing policy or look to poke holes at it. Because we don't care. Why? Is it because we think football players need it at certain times? Is it because we think maybe it enhances the game? The more big bodies the more carnage? People say we care about baseball more because of the hallowed records. But wouldn't you be pissed if a RB back broke Emmitt Smith's touchdown record but was juicing?

Maybe pro sports needs steroids. Level the playing fields, make PED's legal. The fuck, my childhood, adolescent and adult baseball life is ruined anyway. Why not my middle aged memories too.

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Jugdish said...

woe

Jugdish said...

but seriously...i agree

Jugdish said...

Thanks for showing up Atlanta

Jugdish said...

freak up to 9+ on centsports!

Beth said...

"Thanks for showing up Atlanta"

Wrong, we're still waiting for them to show up.

Hopefully they'll show up Sat night as I'm going to the game, but it's looking like they may be missing 3 starters so I'm not too hopeful.

Woe.

Jugdish said...

maybe you'll get some playing time

Beth said...

And EP, some interesting and realistic comments I thought by your favorite Braves player Chipper about steroids (warning, semi-long cut-n-paste below):

"“You can’t have arguably the greatest pitcher of our era, arguably the two greatest players of our era and now another very, very good player be under this cloud of suspicion and not feel like it’s ruined it for everybody,” said Jones, referring to Clemens, Bonds, Rodriguez and Ramirez.

“But what are you going to do? You can’t be born in another era. It is what it is. It is the steroid era. We’re all going to have to answer steroid questions most likely for the rest of our career. We’re all going to have to be judged accordingly.”

Jones said he hopes his body of work will speak for itself and fans will notice his name was never associated with any steroids speculation. But it’s still frustrating.

“I just hate to see people look down their nose at our game when there’s a very small percentage of players who are cheating,” Jones said. “It just so happens that it’s magnified because it’s been the best players in our game that have been caught doing it.”

Jugdish said...

“I just hate to see people look down their nose at our game when there’s a very small percentage of players who are cheating,”


stop it chipper

Beth said...

But I do have to say of course it's the best players who get caught cheating. People are most interested in them (who cares if a scrub dopes up?) and you can argue it may be the doping that makes them the best players.

Jugdish said...

if by small he means 80% then yes

Jugdish said...

Its not just the best players who get caught, but they get all the headlines.

Beth said...

Well I don't think math is Chipper's strongest subject.

Jugdish said...

As far as players getting caught in football goes...they don't get the media attention because nfl has had a testing system in place for years.

they don't have players lying about it, then getting caught, then lying about it again.

Jugdish said...

fmbeth's name is not Drew Peterson is it?

Beth said...

Question for tem when he gets here about his golf picks.

Did you mean to switch out David Toms (-5) with Hunter Mahan (+1), or were you trying to switch out Brian Gay (+8) instead?

(FYI - Gay has since withdrawn.)

Beth said...

"fmbeth's name is not Drew Peterson is it?"

Don't you be judging my man!!

Jugdish said...

Don't you be judging my man!!


you might want to rethink that one...judging by his track record

Jugdish said...

Yankees, losers of 5 in a row...suite

Beth said...

"you might want to rethink that one...judging by his track record"

Well at least if I disappear from LOV, you'll know why.

Jugdish said...

i'd be shocked, but not surprised if his name actually turned out to be miez peterson

El Padrino said...

forgot my hate list

mlb
phillies
braves
yanks
sawx
expos

nba
nets
pacers
bulls
raptors

nfl
cowboys
cowboys
cowboys
cowboys
eagles
eagles
eagles
redskins
jets

Jugdish said...

expos?

Beth said...

You hate the braves more than the yanks? Interesting.

Jugdish said...

I don't hate a lot of teams

MLB
yankees
A's


NFL
raiders
cowboys


NBA
knicks
lakers
celtics

El Padrino said...

"You hate the braves more than the yanks? Interesting."

14 straight division titles will do that to ya

Beth said...

So you hate the Braves cause they've kicked the Mets ass, I get it.

On the other hand I hate the Mets just cause they're assholes. :-)

Jugdish said...

I'd like to buy kiefer sutherland a beer

Beth said...

Dont buy him too many jug or he might headbutt you.

El Padrino said...

"So you hate the Braves cause they've kicked the Mets ass, I get it.

On the other hand I hate the Mets just cause they're assholes. :-)"

ok, i guess

Jugdish said...

fine NY cuisine

Jugdish said...

hard to believe that man ram's anti-swine flu medicine had roids in it

El Padrino said...

can't believe anything anymore
if you test positive you are forever dirty

Jugdish said...

finally saw the Alston slap on eddie house...hilarity

i hope he does it again, it would be worth it

El Padrino said...

dom dimaggio died, 92

irony, dom had a 34 game hitting streak broken up by his brother when Joe, made a diving catch in center to end the streak

tem said...

"Did you mean to switch out David Toms (-5) with Hunter Mahan (+1), or were you trying to switch out Brian Gay (+8) instead? "


i meant to switch out Gay. i hate yahoo golf.

Jugdish said...

irony, dom had a 34 game hitting streak broken up by his brother when Joe, made a diving catch in center to end the streak



what a dick

tem said...

i think baseball needs to release the testing results of all players.


that way we could see how many times that manny tested clean for the last 5 years or whatever.

and also we'd probably see a large percentage of players testing clean.

it'd be good to have some transparency.

i'm not sure how it is too much of an invasion of privacy for MLB to publish testing results quarterly. hell we already know everyone who gets caught because they get suspended.

why not tell us who is testing clean?

tem said...

the only reason i can think of is that MLB knows that a certain percentage who are testing clean are actually dirty and they are just usin a good masking agent.

so they'd feel bad if they listed Joe Ballplayer as testing clean when they knew he was dirty.

El Padrino said...

good point tem

Jugdish said...

forgot my lunch at home...DAMMIT!

tem said...

*i hate golf


fized

Jugdish said...

i think baseball needs to release the testing results of all players.

agree

tem said...

"forgot my lunch at home...DAMMIT!"

i thought i forgot my coat at home, but it turns out i forgot it at the office last night.

so it was here waiting for me when i arrived.

tem said...

"agree"


i really don't see why they don't. my one guess notwithstanding.

El Padrino said...

dom dimaggio, i link because his wife is still alive, married 61 years, jeebus!

Jugdish said...

if they want to get past this whole steroid thing, they might as well release all the names.

El Padrino said...

"i really don't see why they don't. my one guess notwithstanding."

PLAYERS UNION

Jugdish said...

I didn't know Dom DiMaggio's older brother played baseball too.

El Padrino said...

Leon Culberson replaced him in center field. In the bottom of the eighth, with two outs, the Cardinals’ Enos Slaughter tried to score from first on a single. Culberson was slow to field the ball, then made a mediocre throw to shortstop Johnny Pesky, whose throw home was too little, too late. Slaughter was safe, giving the Cardinals the lead and, half an inning later, the championship.

“If they hadn’t taken DiMaggio out of the game,” Slaughter later said of his daring sprint, “I wouldn’t have tried it.”


ENOS must have been very fast...

Jugdish said...

I've always admired those players who left the game to go serve in the war. Different era, we'll probably never see that again.

Blueshon said...

fuck steroids

Blueshon said...

"I've always admired those players who left the game to go serve in the war. Different era, we'll probably never see that again."

Pat Tillman

DET..and never forget it again

El Padrino said...

"I've always admired those players who left the game to go serve in the war. Different era, we'll probably never see that again."

hooo-raaahh!

Jugdish said...

Enos was taking greenies

tem said...

"PLAYERS UNION"

but why do they care? wouldn't they rather have their name released with a big TESTED CLEAN next to it? if they get busted everyone knows, why wouldn't they want the public to know that they tested clean?


how different would we be viewing Manny if we had seen for the last 5 years he had passed 15 tests?

Jugdish said...

Pat Tillman

DET..and never forget it again



I didn't forget, he is a once in a lifetime guy. We won't see it again

Blueshon said...

the reason they don't release the names: everyone is on it

Jugdish said...

how different would we be viewing Manny if we had seen for the last 5 years he had passed 15 tests?


no differently. One bad test negates the clean ones. We just assume he didn't get caught or was using a masking agent.

Jugdish said...

fucking clock is moving really slow this morning

Blueshon said...

exactly jugster


truth is, the only reason he got caught was because he had elevated testosterone, not because the initial test caught the drugs in his system.

Blueshon said...

so now the debate is, do these guys that tested positive, (or had serious allegations against) deserve to be in the HoF?

I think the more people that are proven to have done it, the more likely a guy makes the HoF.

tem said...

"the reason they don't release the names: everyone is on it"

i don't mean that old list.

i mean from the current testing.

right now if someone fails we know immediately because they get suspended and it is on sportscenter all day.

but when Pooholes goes and tests clean nobody knows.

Jugdish said...

but when Pooholes goes and tests clean nobody knows.


everyone is getting tested, so if their name is not released, assume a clean test

tem said...

"truth is, the only reason he got caught was because he had elevated testosterone, not because the initial test caught the drugs in his system."


so my initial thought that they don't release the clean tests because they know most of the people that test clean are really dirty might be correct?

Jugdish said...

I think the more people that are proven to have done it, the more likely a guy makes the HoF.


agreed...as time goes on people won't think of steroids like they do now

tem said...

"I think the more people that are proven to have done it, the more likely a guy makes the HoF."

HoF is voted on by like 100 douchebag writers, right? or does the baseball one have more voters?

Jugdish said...

HoF is voted on by like 100 douchebag writers, right? or does the baseball one have more voters?



writers vote on it for several years, then there is a player vote...something like that

Blueshon said...

there's like 1000 voters, but they're all baseball writers who are appalled that these players have "soiled the game" or "cheated"

so it will take a long time because the writers are douchenozzles anyway, with their holier then now attitudes.

Jugdish said...

per wiki:

All writers with 10 years of membership in the BBWAA are eligible to vote for the Hall of Fame.

Jugdish said...

also per wiki:

If a player fails to be elected by the BBWAA within 20 years of his retirement from active play, he may be selected by the Veterans Committee, which now holds elections for players only for induction in odd-numbered years.

tem said...

writers suck

Jugdish said...

Gasol = Kramer

Blueshon said...

good photshoppine

Blueshon said...

i sure do hate gasol

Jugdish said...

we need a keef sanchez story this morning

El Padrino said...

someone's forgetting it's friday

not going to mention any names....
::coughtps:: cough

Blueshon said...

ITDS FRIIIIIIIIIIIIIDay


i liked that lebron used a line from Friday in his acceptance speech for the MVP.

Jugdish said...

tem...your mission for this weekend is to do a LeBomb James shot at a bar and see if throwing the sugar causes a fight.

Jugdish said...

kick his ass seabass!

Jugdish said...

will lasik surgery fix WALL eyed vision?

tem said...

"tem...your mission for this weekend is to do a LeBomb James shot at a bar and see if throwing the sugar causes a fight."


almost got people to do one with me on tuesday. but the birthday guy wanted to do jager instead.

tem said...

"will lasik surgery fix WALL eyed vision?"

no but huge glasses will. and then you can be a radar man.

then you can later be in a tv show with the pilot you talked down.

Jugdish said...

no but huge glasses will. and then you can be a radar man.

then you can later be in a tv show with the pilot you talked down.



well played

Meiz said...

I'm truly fat. I need to do something about that.

Jugdish said...

how about a manzier?

tem said...

get lipo

Meiz said...

I figured giving up the bottle and doing some form of exercising would be the 1st steps. Maybe I'm wrong.

Jugdish said...

you're not going to give up the bottle...what are the odds on you exercising?

tem said...

those are good 1st steps.

tem said...

dating someone fatter than you can make you feel thinner.

Meiz said...

Odds of me exercising are excellent

Meiz said...

"dating someone fatter than you can make you feel thinner."


That's fucking disgusting

tem said...

so's your face

Jugdish said...

start wearing vertical striped shirts

Meiz said...

"so's your face"

exactly

Meiz said...

AOL teaches me new little characters to type.


8-)

That one means cool

spaceman spiff said...

"that one means the user of it is a faggot"

*fized

Meiz said...

Yes, Spiff. That would be correct.

I was being facetious

spaceman spiff said...

"I figured giving up the bottle and doing some form of exercising would be the 1st steps. Maybe I'm wrong."

first step should be changing your diet(includes cutting down on the booze)

Jugdish said...

mize...nutrisystem...do it

it worked for dan marino

El Padrino said...

golic agrees

Meiz said...

"first step should be changing your diet(includes cutting down on the booze)"


Yep

Meiz said...

"mize...nutrisystem...do it"


That shit's 'spensive

Jugdish said...

P90X

El Padrino said...

meiz stop it
you'll do it for a week and that will be the end of it

just accept yourself as drunk slob

Meiz said...

"just accept yourself as drunk slob"


No. I'm tired being a fat slob. Its gross.

Keith S said...

"It's going to turn to a time when we look back and say, man Marco Scutaro was the greatest hitter of our time."

Why, because he's Italian?

Keith S said...

"dom dimaggio died, 92"

Tough week for guys named Dom

El Padrino said...

"Why, because he's Italian?"

no but i should have worked in a ny born player for that now that ithink of it

El Padrino said...

"No. I'm tired being a fat slob. Its gross."

your right, it is fucking gross

El Padrino said...

rev says hi btw

Keith S said...

"truth is, the only reason he got caught was because he had elevated testosterone, not because the initial test caught the drugs in his system."

Said on BBTN last night that he didn't fail a test, only that MLB found records that he was prescribed the meds by his doctor

ns

El Padrino said...

cant suspen him if they didnt have a positive test

El Padrino said...

that would violate so many different things in the CBA

Meiz said...

"It's going to turn to a time when we look back and say, man Marco Scutaro was the greatest hitter of our time."


This is retarded. Everybody already knows that Craig Counsell is the greatest player of the steroid era.

Keith S said...

"P90X"

I mentioned that last night. I'm gonna start trying that.

Keith S said...

Free pulled pork slider @ White Castle

Jugdish said...

fashion police

Jugdish said...

I mentioned that last night. I'm gonna start trying that.


i've heard good things about it, just borrowed the dvds from a friend

Keith S said...

"i've heard good things about it, just borrowed the dvds from a friend"

I'm d/l from limewire

hi fbi

Meiz said...

LOV P90X contest

Meiz said...

Winner gets half of EP's bank account

Keith S said...

That's more than the lottery

El Padrino said...

"Winner gets half of EP's bank account"

which one?

El Padrino said...

"P90X"

please advise

Meiz said...

Half of your savings

El Padrino said...

who sked's conf call's on friday, I need a dman secretary

Keith S said...

"i thought i forgot my coat at home, but it turns out i forgot it at the office last night."

It's May

isiah thompson said...

OOOOOOO CA-NA-DA!

Keith S said...

MEGAN FOX says she is not interested in pretty boy actors such as ZAC EFRON — claiming blokes under 30 are a “waste of time”.


Suite

Meiz said...

Carrots, celery, peanut butter

Meiz said...

skinless chicken breast, fish

Meiz said...

broccoli, beans, asparagus

Meiz said...

I'm typing my mental notes.


Now, get off my lawn.

isiah thompson said...

9+ on sensesports is uber-impressive, nice work freak.

isiah thompson said...

I'm typing things I'll never eat.

*fized

Meiz said...

One final fat slob meal on Sunday for Mom's Day

Keith S said...

asparagus is awful

Meiz said...

I enjoy asparagus. That's my dad's fault.

spaceman spiff said...

p90x

NFW all of youse guise complete it, unless you half ass it

spaceman spiff said...

smack off is today. why is it so annoying when a chuck talks 'smack'

Blueshon said...

smack off your face

spaceman spiff said...

"One final fat slob meal on Sunday for Mom's Day"

doesnt have to be your last, if you are strict with your diet, you can have a cheat meal a week, even a cheat day if youre not on a timetable. keeps you sane, and kick starts your metabolism(if you have one WADR)

spaceman spiff said...

chick saying "man;s game bitch" etc. makes me wanna punch her in the face

Meiz said...

1250 AM in Milwaukee started the annual Sound Off Tournament this week. Its fucking god awful. You can tell everybody has their take written out in front of them. Totally emotionless.

Meiz said...

"keeps you sane, and kick starts your metabolism"


I'm not looking for sanity, but that's good to know.

No WADR needed. I highly doubt I have any sort of metabolism any more.

Blueshon said...

dude, you don't have to give up the bottle. Liquor is not fattening...beer is, vodka is not...great for the diet.

make smoothies with vodka

Meiz said...

Lots of empty calories

spaceman spiff said...

blue's right. vodka has calories though, so if you can fit it in instead of food, i guess it'd be ok. the mixers are what kill you, soda, juice etc

Keith S said...

zeke, Y! trade, meow

Blueshon said...

i don't see a lot of fat homeless people, so maybe move into the tent and stop showering

isiah thompson said...

RE-JECTED!

tem said...

"P90X"

what?

tem said...

"It's May"

i'm in ohio. it is like 50 and rainy.

isiah thompson said...

XBOX360


DET

tem said...

no carb diet always works for me.

ns

Jugdish said...

i bet if they waterboarded Pelosi she would finally admit to being briefed on the waterboarding.

Keith S said...

tem has his patented salad diet

Meiz said...

I don't see myself cutting out carbs

tem said...

it sucks but it works for me.

that's all i care about.

Keith S said...

NY restaurants are the worse

spaceman spiff said...

p90x is a workout program, they have infomercials for it, people be getting ripped. based on the concept of muscle confusion.

Jugdish said...

www.p90x.com

spaceman spiff said...

so tem is thin in real life?

Jugdish said...

el keefcumfastdrino sanchez

Keith S said...

goddman

Blueshon said...

tem can lose 20lbs in 2 weeks with the all salad and no microwave diet.

Keith S said...

i need to pay closer attention

tem said...

"so tem is thin in real life?"

no.

tem is 5'11" ~205

Meiz said...

Are any of you married guys the types that wear your wedding band 24/7?

tem said...

"tem can lose 20lbs in 2 weeks with the all salad and no microwave diet."


this is true. when tem ballooned up to 220 he did this.

it was a shitty two weeks.


it also works as 10lbs in 1 week.

Jugdish said...

Are any of you married guys the types that wear your wedding band 24/7?



yep

Keith S said...

"Are any of you married guys the types that wear your wedding band 24/7?"

Yep. Only time I've had it off for any significant amount of time is when we were camping because it fell off when I was starting the fire.

Blueshon said...

i wear mine when i'm not at home...but not around the house.

tem said...

i never wear mine.

Meiz said...

Has your finger grown around it, yet?

Jugdish said...

i never wear mine.



hilarity

Keith S said...

tem just lists his on ebay with awsome* pics

tem said...

technically i did not list them.

Jugdish said...

Has your finger grown around it, yet?


i don't notice it if that's what you mean. are you going to do the Costanza experiment and wear one to try and pick up chicks?

Keith S said...

tem's amish friend just lists them on ebay with awsome* pics


*fized

spaceman spiff said...

smack off sucks

Jugdish said...

chrysler will not pay back bailout money...suite



s

tem said...

P90X looks interesting.

tem said...

i am going to do P22X.


It's my version of the P90X. it's like quarter assed.

isiah thompson said...

if they would have called it the P300MillionX then they could have marketed it as "the world's workout".

Steve said...

hahaha. I sent my mom flowers to her office for mothers day. My sisters got her a gift card.

I win.

Jugdish said...

Dirk?

tem said...

what if it is a $1,000,000 gift card?

then they win.

Meiz said...

I'm getting my mom nothing for mother's day

Steve said...

"what if it is a $1,000,000 gift card?"

one of my sisters is a school teacher.


very unlikely.

Blueshon said...

i sent my mom, an e-card

isiah thompson said...

I saw that Dirk story yesterday, he's messing with a real winner.

isiah thompson said...

and she's not attractive.

spaceman spiff said...

dirk has HORRIBLE taste. youre a fucking nba player man! and a good one, a famous one. doesnt matter how ugly YOU are, you can fuck finer bitches that that

isiah thompson said...

I'm getting my mom nothing for mother's day

just being around her is present enough, you can't put a price on a cheerful demeanor.

spaceman spiff said...

ugly beast i2i

isiah thompson said...

dirk's messing with fug i2i

isiah thompson said...

fug i2i, i2i

suite

isiah thompson said...

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