Friday, April 25, 2008

El Padrino's 2008 NFL Mock Draft

1. Dolphins selects : Jake Long, LT (Mich)
Can't make fun of this pick. It's solid. Even more solid that Parcells wants no part of a holdout. Can't help but think about Jumbo Elliot, one of Tuna's favorites.

2. Rams selects : Glenn Dorsey, DT (LSU)
Impact player, the reason for Dorsey over the other Long.... Really don't have one except it seems as if teams covet inside pass rushers more and more now. This guy is Sapp only quieter. That and the bad luck for Atlanta continues as Blank loses it after Dorsey's name gets called as the 2nd pick.

There is a trade. The Falcons swap 1st round picks with the New York Jets and also gain the Jets 4th round selection as well as a 5th and 7th rounder in 2009.

3. Jets selects (via Atl) : Darren McFadden, RB (Ark)
Once Blank lost out on the man he coveted the most (Dorsey) it makes sense for him to jump to the Jets spot and still grab a nice prospect. Jets were sending smoke signals all along about Ryan and the two ends but McFadden was always #1 on their board. Sheer fear in what Al Davis was going to do at four left them with no choice then to trade up for McFadden. Huge risk for the Tangini Team but could pay a huge reward.

4. Raiders selects : Chris Long, DE (UVA)
Funny thing is, good thing the Jets moved ahead of Al Davis. Crazy sumbitch had McFadden's name ready. Now at least he gets Howie's boy and Howie, doesn't have to root for a different team.

There is a trade. Cheifs and New Orleans swap 1st round picks (5, 10) and Cheifs get New Orleans next year #1 and a 6th rounder this year.

5. Saints selects (via K.C) : Sedrick Ellis, DT (USC)
Again, DT's are in right now in the NFL and the Saints think they can win this year so next year's #1 won't be as valuable. Cheifs need players and the more picks the better. Carl Peterson has done a tremendous job with this trade as well as the Jered allen trade.

6. Falcons selects (via NYJ) : Vernon Ghoulston, DE (OSU)
New England really wanted the Ghoul but after losing picks as a result of cheating they did not want to swap picks. Mike Smith loved Ghoulston all along and was happy he didn't have to take him #3.

7. New England selects : Keith Rivers, LB (USC)
After begin frugal and not budging to grab the Ghoul they land a quick, smart linebacker which with the age of their corps, might not be a bad thing.

8. Baltimore selects : Matt Ryan, QB (B.C.)
Bmore figures this guy is a sure fire franchise QB.

9. Bengals selects : Ryan Clady, LT (Boise St.)
Desperately tried to move down. Could not find any takers. Any WR would have been a reach and New Orleans jumping up to grab Ellis shifted the Bengals board.

10. Cheifs selects (via N.O) : Branden Albert, G (UVA)
Chiefs are desperate for O-line help.

11. Buffalo selects : Devin Thomas, WR (Mich. St)
Bills draft need over "best avaialble" and grab Thomas a bit early. But Trent Edwards needs someone other than Lee Evans to catch the football.

12. Denver selects : Chris Williams, OT (Vandy)
Denver wanted to move down, again, no takers. Teams don't like bailing out other teams apparentely. At least Williams and Cutler are reunited. So that's cute.

13. Carolina selects : Jeff Otah, OT (Pitt)
No brainer. Solid pass protector, great run blocker.

14. Chicago selects : Rashard Mendenhall, RB (Illini)
How could they pass up on a in-state product. Especially since it's a huge part of their game. Physical and fast. This is a great pick for Chicago.

15. Detroit selects : Derrick Harvey, DE, (UF)
Marinelli is still building the Defense. A corner here wouldn't shock me either.

16. Arizona selects : Jerod Mayo, LB (Tenn)
Best available. Going up against Stephen Jackson, Frank Gore four times a year, so adding a young talent like Mayo at the LB position is a smart move.

17. Kansas City selects : Leodis McKelvin, CB (Troy St.)
K.C takes all 10 minutes to decide which corner to select. In the end Herm gets his way, as he always does. "The boy can ball Carl, he can ball"!

18. Houston selects : Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB (Tenn St.)
Just getting the table scraps from K.C. After this pick the jersey maker for the Texans immediately resigns.

19. Philadelphia selects : Limas Sweed, WR (UT)
They need a WR badly. With no lineman left at this juncture Reid gives in and agrees to draft Sweed who could see the field immediately.

20. Tampa Bay selects : Mike Jenkins, CB (USF)
A good fit in the Tampa 2 scheme. It took about 12 people to talk Gruden out of James Hardy.

21. Washington selects : Philip Merling, DE (Clemson)
Should be a hell of a football player for the Skins. You could argue the DT Balmer here or even a TE like Keller but rushing the passer in the NFC East is priority number 1.

22. Dallas selects : Felix Jones, RB (Ark)
Obvious. Jones has been making love to a Felix Jones picture since October of last year.

23. Pittsburgh selects : Sam Baker, OT (USC)
Faneca gone. Gave up 45+ sacks last year, that simply cannot happen. The vlaue here is not very good, I'd rather have them take Balmer here but seems like they can grab a DT a bit later while most of the OT's will be gone.

24. Tennesee selects : Desean Jackson, WR (Cal)
Explosive player, no brainer here for the Titans. Have to put an offensive weapon in VY's pocket at some point.

25. Seattle selects : Jonathan Stewart, RB (Oregon)
I mean the O-line is set, the defense is still pretty good. How can they NOT take Stew here?
Second time a hometown kid plays fot the hometown team. (see Bears/Rahsard)

26. Jacksonville selects : Calais Campbell, DE (Da U)
Plenty of better prospects available but not on the D line so they have to reach here. Gerrard was begging for playmaker Fred Davis.

27. San Diego selects : Kentwan Balmer, DT (UNC)
Charger staff are elated this guy is here. The needs of other teams altered the draft and that is what makes the draft great. Balmer can move anywhere along the line and is a horse. Nice pick here. Makes that defense even more nasty.

28. Dallas selects : Aqib Talib, CB (Kansas)
Best CB left and that's an area of need. Kid could have went higher, nice pick this late for a potential starting CB.

29. San Francisco selects : Gosder Cherilus, OT (B.C.)
Him and Staley, together forever. Bookends. The war room erupts.

There is a trade. The Falcons have acquired the 30th pick from Green Bay in exchange for Atlanta's 2nd round pick this year and the 5th round pick of this year.

30. Atlanta selects (via G.B) : Brian Brohm, QB (UL)
Tremendous move here. The sun is finally starting to shine in the Georgiadome. Last year some feel Brohm would have went top ten. Now Atl gets him at the 30 spot of the next year. Great move.

31. New York Giants selects : Kenny Phillps, SS (Da U)
Major upgrade. Perfect pick. I really wanted Connor, LB (PSU) but can't complain. Phillips is a stud.



557 comments:

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Beth said...

If the Atl-Jets trade actually happens EP I'll be very impressed.

Beth said...

And EP, I have a modification to propose regarding our Braves-Mets bet. Right now it's 3 day name/pic change for the loser of the series. If one team (i.e. the Braves) sweeps the other team it should be a full week. How's that sound?

Beth said...

I figure with Hudson and Smoltz both starting in the series, there's no way the Braves are getting swept so it's a no lose modification for me. :-)

Beth said...

And did you see Chipper went 3 for 3 with a HR on his birthday? The paper said for his career he's now hitting .500 on his birthday.

Figured you (and TP) would want to know that.

Beth said...

OK, I wanted the early morning Z and there it is.

H said...

nice job Beth

H said...

"The paper said for his career he's now hitting .500 on his birthday."

People still read newspapers?

tem said...

what's a paper?

tem said...

good work el pad.

really good work.

brohm trade is shades of brady quinn. i don't doubt that it will happen.

tem said...

but i think ATL takes Chris Long and then does the brohm trade late in the round.

El Padrino said...

"Right now it's 3 day name/pic change for the loser of the series. If one team (i.e. the Braves) sweeps the other team it should be a full week. How's that sound?"

someone is feeling thier oats this mornin'

El Padrino said...

peter king has ATL selecting Matt Ryan, so you know there is no fucking way that's happening

tem said...

then when brohm gets to ATL he gets his feelings hurt when people rip on the old coach (Petrino).

then he gets hurt in a preseason game holding on an XP.

El Padrino said...

sure beth -

bravos sweep you can toture me for a week

punish me beth
punish me

El Padrino said...

thanks tem

tem said...

peter king is horrid.

El Padrino said...

and he was adamant on the radio this am, talking how it would be a huge mistake if they didnt

Tyler said...

Excellent job. I was not expecting to see trades involved, so bonus points for that. Great job.

El Padrino said...

i did at least 15 patron shots last night

no idearrrrrrrrrrrrr how am alive

the flight to west palm will be very quiet tonight...

El Padrino said...

T it's a big fancy show baby....thx

Tyler said...

No Madden Curse this year. Farve is the cover boy. Unless he dies or something on his farm. Then the curse continues.

tem said...

favre on cover means rodgers gets hurt, favre comes back and gets hurt.

El Padrino said...

"AP reporting former NFL QB Brett Farve, recently retired from the GREEN BAY PACKERS, was accidentely killed on his famr earlier this morning. Farve was attemping to throw a football into the top barn window while riding a tractor at 11 MPH when he fell over the front of the vehicle and it crushed him."

Beth said...

"punish me beth
punish me"

It's going to be hard to top "eat fresh" but I'm sure I'll be able to come up with something.

Tyler said...

That AP report had me rolling EP.

blue said...

favre on the madden cover is hilarity...madden won't have a chance to slob all over favre anymore, so he figured he better put him on his game so he can always be reminded of his one true love

El Padrino said...

i'm severly hungover, i should be a riot today

H said...

"favre on the madden cover is hilarity...madden won't have a chance to slob all over favre anymore, so he figured he better put him on his game so he can always be reminded of his one true love"

Favre will be on the cover for life now.

El Padrino said...

eat fresh wasn't that funny
it was good but deke's "7 game" moniker took the cake

El Padrino said...

"Three NYPD officers have been acquitted of all charges in the 50-shot killing of an unarmed man on his wedding day."

here we go, find cover

blue said...

"eat fresh wasn't that funny"

eat fresh was funny

tem said...

wow

El Padrino said...

it was funny, but deke's was funnier

El Padrino said...

i will not allow a wall today

El Padrino said...

i gave weed to my boss yesterday

NS

H said...

"Three NYPD officers have been acquitted of all charges in the 50-shot killing of an unarmed man on his wedding day."

That honestly shocks me...

tem said...

give once, sell next time.

El Padrino said...

doesn't shock me

El Padrino said...

right tem

blue said...

EP has him on the hook

tem said...

That AAD is getting fired within the week.

blue said...

now he can extort him as well

Beth said...

"EP has him on the hook
now he can extort him as well"

That's what I was thinking, that's called Job Security.

H said...

"That's what I was thinking, that's called Job Security."

Is that the same reason you sleep with the lawyers in your office, Beth? Extortion?

blue said...

job security

Beth said...

Silly question H, that's cause I'm a slut. ;-)

tem said...

***ADA

tem said...

great ;-) is here.

next, "lol."

El Padrino said...

i ♥ beth

tem said...

blue extorts his gay boss.

H said...

"Silly question H, that's cause I'm a slut. ;-)"

lol, ;-)

for you, tem

H said...

"Silly question H, that's cause I'm a slut. ;-)"

So when am I coming down to the ATL again?

blue said...

beth has an FM now, so she's a one woman girl.

H said...

Deke, I'm currently investigating someone in WI. Hope it's not you!

Beth said...

"great ;-) is here"

You're just jealous I didn't wink at you Tem.

blue said...

i don't even know how to make that wink

Beth said...

"i don't even know how to make that wink"

Semi-colon, hyphen, close parenthesis

Knowing is knowledge.

El Padrino said...

MCD back with the A's

El Padrino said...

i got home at like 2:30 this am and signed on to yahoo to grab Feuntes only to find out blue already had him

silly me

blue said...

I drafted him knowing that Corpas could suck this year and fuentes would get the job...and was a good source of holds in the meantime.

tem said...

"You're just jealous I didn't wink at you Tem."

but h did.

tem said...

blue needs a good source of holds.

blue said...

btw-
i'm moving to costa rica

H said...

"but h did."

indeed

tem said...

tem has no source of holds.

tem said...

"i'm moving to costa rica"

no you aren't.

El Padrino said...

stop it blue, you know we don't speak spanish

blue said...

moving on

El Padrino said...

houston won in utah

go figure

blue said...

utah sucks

blue said...

having rafer alston helped houston a bunch

El Padrino said...

fat gay people are the worse

blue said...

the utah game...i noticed last night that all the people sitting courtside were over the age of 70 probably....it was ridiculous.

i bet that's the only arena like that

blue said...

little old ladies sitting courtside

H said...

Blue, Avs lost last night. Do you care?

blue said...

"Blue, Avs lost last night. Do you care?"

this sounds spanish to me

blue said...

i only care about hockey if I get free tickets to a game..and that won't happen for the playoffs

Keith S said...

On this day in 1955...

Horse racing jockey Bill Hartack rode six winners in seven mounts at Laurel Race Course in Maryland.

Keith S said...

I said mounts

El Padrino said...

"Also as a rule, no EP AD bashing on Friday posts because he checks in on the weekend"

Apparentely not. Even Mize got involved. Interesting.


"cavs suck, but not as much as EP"

pussy #1 - blue

"cavs suck, but not as much as EP"

Truer words...

*homo fag wop

"EP definitely likes guys. No question about it."

"Because EP is a doooooosh"

Pussy #2 - Wow keef, you were busy last night huh?

tem said...

beth rode 7 losers in 7 mounts for $7 and a pack of Menthols.

ToddPacker said...

"Heilman

hehehehe"


that wasn't funny

Keith S said...

EP
From Wednesday night...

Dikembe Meiztombo said...
We should make derogatory comments about EP on LOVAD just to see how long it takes him to catch on.

April 23, 2008 8:32 PM

El Padrino said...

heilman is awful

ToddPacker said...

"i'm moving to costa rica"

that was funny.... toby can really get over a fence

El Padrino said...

didnt take long

Keith S said...

"that wasn't funny"

Agree to disagree

ToddPacker said...

"heilman is awful"

willie is worse.... why not bring a lefty... heilman must have given willie some weed

blue said...

it only took him a couple of days to catch on...so you do read LoVAD...so there's no excuse for your cumfastery anymore

ToddPacker said...

""that wasn't funny"

Agree to disagree"

little boy tp dropped an "ass bag" on heilman right after he gave up the granny... again, i thought it was funny but cmtp did not

Keith S said...

Quite a mouth on SoTP

ToddPacker said...

"it only took him a couple of days to catch on...so you do read LoVAD...so there's no excuse for your cumfastery anymore"

blue is cumfastery nazi

tem said...

assbag is hilarity.

ToddPacker said...

"Quite a mouth on SoTP"

yeah, it's probably going to be a problem soon.... it doesn't help that i usually laugh

ToddPacker said...

just got a tps email.... tps on my day off is bullshit

El Padrino said...

i peruse from time to time

assbag

El Padrino said...

TP, me and your son would get along great. Let me bring him to a met game whole your here

blue said...

assbag is the new word of the day

Keith S said...

EP takes SoTP to a Mets game, then all of a sudden SoTP will have this fixation with burritos.

Keith S said...

100

ToddPacker said...

"EP takes SoTP to a Mets game, then all of a sudden SoTP will have this fixation with burritos."

funny

ToddPacker said...

ep, i'm heading up to NY in june. mets are not in town that weekend, i think we are going to a yankees/reds game.... gotta get a reds hat

Keith S said...

"gotta get a reds hat"

Nice

El Padrino said...

a reds hat at yankee stadium

now that would be interesting

ToddPacker said...

i think i'm going to get a reds hat that looks like a cubs logo

Keith S said...

Hardy har har

ToddPacker said...

really though, heilman can't come it to a close game anymore, right?

blue said...

TP doesn't get to go to shea one last time huh?

ToddPacker said...

"Hardy har har"

i thought you would like that, keith

ToddPacker said...

i think i'll go with the reds hat/jorts combo

ToddPacker said...

"TP doesn't get to go to shea one last time huh?"

tp family did that last summer.... with my brother in NY now, i'm sure i'll head up again later in the summer or early fall

Keith S said...

"i think i'll go with the reds hat/jorts combo"

Cincy is basically Kentucky, so you probably wouldn't be the first.

Keith S said...

Hell, I've probably done that.

ToddPacker said...

keith, you're starting to beat me up in fmlb

ToddPacker said...

leaving for destin @ 4:00... gotta cut the lawn first.... i think it's already 90° out there

blue said...

what's wrong with kentucky

El Padrino said...

"i'm sure i'll head up again later in the summer or early fall"

YES. If you want to bring the boy, i'll watch him.

ToddPacker said...

ep when are you leaving for florida?

El Padrino said...

my flight leaves @ 8

El Padrino said...

2nite

Keith S said...

" i think it's already 90° out there"

Too early for that shit. It's supposed to be like 97 here tomorrow. Redonk

ToddPacker said...

"YES. If you want to bring the boy, i'll watch him."

i'm sure cmtp wouldn't have a problem with that....

me to cmtp:

no really it's cool, this the guy who sent me beer in the mail

El Padrino said...

HAAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHA

El Padrino said...

women just dont understand

Keith S said...

My buddy made a tee time for us for 6:30 tomorrow morning. Fucking ridiculous.

ToddPacker said...

ep, i think we're also hitting up peter lugers in june... never been there, but i've heard great things

Keith S said...

peter loogies?

ToddPacker said...

"My buddy made a tee time for us for 6:30 tomorrow morning. Fucking ridiculous."


i hate that

El Padrino said...

"ep, i think we're also hitting up peter lugers in june... never been there, but i've heard great things"

great things TP, i get a little annoyed about the sharing thing, if i'm not mistaken you order for two

(or the portion is for two, if you can eat it all god bless you)

ToddPacker said...

"(or the portion is for two, if you can eat it all god bless you)"

that weekend is serving as the bachelor party, so i'll be pretty drunk the whole time

El Padrino said...

"that weekend is serving as the bachelor party, so i'll be pretty drunk the whole time"

then god bless you

El Padrino said...

Just got this email, hilarity.

Partners:

As many of you probably are seeing on the news, the three detectives on trial in the shooting death of Sean Bell were found not guilty on all counts, which has prompted some unrest in Queens, NY.

There are protests in Queens as we speak, though no unrest has been noted in Manhattan at this time.

NYPD informed us that the weekend should be a good buffer in terms of protests migrating into Manhattan, though the possibility remains of some unrest in Manhattan in the near future. Civil rights leader Al Sharpton is on the scene in Queens, which may perpetuate additional public attention and plans for protests in NYC.

At this point there is no operational impact, but staff living in or travelling through the Queens area should take caution and avoid protest areas.

We will continue to monitor the scenario and forward any substantial developments.

Keith S said...

"Al Sharpton is on the scene in Queens"

Shocking

ToddPacker said...

ny has the best riots??

H said...

Jesus EP. Does that affect you at all? Are we gonna see a repeat of the LA Riots?

Tyler said...

Everyone knows that L.A. has the best riots. It's time to come up on loot, EP, choose wisely.

El Padrino said...

"Jesus EP. Does that affect you at all? Are we gonna see a repeat of the LA Riots?"

i dont think it's that serious but that queens are will be a bit hairy

ToddPacker said...

"Jesus EP. Does that affect you at all? Are we gonna see a repeat of the LA Riots?"

could make getting to the airport interesting tonight, ep

Keith S said...

LA definitely has the best riots.

El Padrino said...

*area

ToddPacker said...

anyone watch top chef? i'm watching on drv now... padma is sexy, but that scar on her arm is crazy

El Padrino said...

"could make getting to the airport interesting tonight, ep"

possible.

tem said...

"that weekend is serving as the bachelor party,"

no skiing?

Bootney Lee Farnsworth said...

Nice post EP, great work.

tem said...

word is manningham scored a 6 on his wonderlic test.

10 is the cutoff for "literate"



word is...

ToddPacker said...

"no skiing?"

actually originally we were supposed to go to denver... but denver in june seemed silly, except for the fact that the mets were playing the rockies

El Padrino said...

thx bootney

Bootney Lee Farnsworth said...

Everyone knows that L.A. has the best riots. It's time to come up on loot, EP, choose wisely.

ahahahhahahah, choose wisely.

try to get on tv EP, give us a double thumbs up and go "Iya love U ESS and-A! Thank you chocolate face!"

El Padrino said...

a bach party in LODO would have been great








S

El Padrino said...

i'll loot the butcher

Tyler said...

One come a day, the water will run,
no man will stand for things that he had done...

Hurrah!

El Padrino said...

be right back

make sure you guys dont talk shit while i'm gone

Tyler said...

Give back that automobile, turn off that smokestack and that GODDAMN RADIO!
Hum.
Along with me.
Along with the t.v.

No one's
gonna
Stop!

El Padrino said...

Jane's Addiction

ToddPacker said...

janes = awesomeness

H said...

what's with the song lyrics lately? is this a new thing? did I miss the memo?

Keith S said...

"i'll loot the butcher"

I bet you will.

Tyler said...

I think I just started posting '90s lyrics on Wednesday and kept going until the end of the week. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

ToddPacker said...

tyler should have started with:

señores y señoras
nosotros tenemos más influencia con sus hijos que tu tiene
pero los queremos...
creado y regado de Los Angeles
Juana's Adicción!

Tyler said...

TP's right. My bad. Greatest intro to an album ever.

blue said...

"My buddy made a tee time for us for 6:30 tomorrow morning. Fucking ridiculous"

drinking beer at the turn, when it's 8:30 is awesome...and then the 19th hole beers at 10:30 doesn't make you feel like and alcoholic at all (s)

I used to play that early all the time, it sucked

Tyler said...

Cliff Lee's complete game shutout last night kept my ERA from blowing up. Thank-you Cliff Lee.

Tyler said...

EP's ERA is been retardedly low all week.

Tyler said...

Holds are dumb.

ToddPacker said...

"Holds are dumb"

yes

Tyler said...

I have zero holds on the season.

ToddPacker said...

i just realized that both of my holds guys are cardinals.... probably not a good thing

ToddPacker said...

i should drop my holds guys for more 1b and closers

Keith S said...

"drinking beer at the turn, when it's 8:30 is awesome...and then the 19th hole beers at 10:30 doesn't make you feel like and alcoholic at all (s)"

I'm going to happy hour today, so depending on how that goes will determine whether I drink on the course tomorrow.

Keith S said...

Two of my closers are Corpas & Hoffman. I'm pretty much done in that category.

ToddPacker said...

time to mow the lawn

blue said...

holds are the easiest statistic to get...anyone who has 0 holds on the season deserves to be in last place

El Padrino said...

my hitting, again, is awful this week

El Padrino said...

blue i'd rather lose that category every week and use that spot for an RBI guy or SB guy or, you get the idea

blue said...

that's your choice...but it's the equivalent of saying "I don't want any HR hitters on my team, i'll just give up that category"

Keith S said...

"Would anyone be surprise if they heard sometime in September or October that Favre was hurt in some hunting accident or while mowing his lawn?"


Cummy is cumfasting LoV this morning.

Keith S said...

"that's your choice...but it's the equivalent of saying "I don't want any HR hitters on my team, i'll just give up that category""

That is exactly what he said.

El Padrino said...

"I don't want any HR hitters on my team, i'll just give up that category"

totally different, having a holds guy can have an adverse effect on your pitching stats, whereas a HR guy can effect 4 different categories

Keith S said...

Why not dump a position player, that's on your bench and you might play once a week, for a holds guy that you can have in the lineup every day?

blue said...

"totally different, having a holds guy can have an adverse effect on your pitching stats, whereas a HR guy can effect 4 different categories"

holds guy effects K, H, ERA, WHIP...and can get a cheap W every now and then....holds guys play almost every day, you can't play 3 SS in one day.

El Padrino said...

"Why not dump a position player, that's on your bench and you might play once a week, for a holds guy that you can have in the lineup every day?"

who me? i have joba for now, if they make him a starter then maybe i'll do that, for now it's unecessary

blue said...

but everybody has their own FMLB philosophy that works for them.

i'm just saying that holds are the easiest category to get

Keith S said...

"who me? i have joba for now, if they make him a starter then maybe i'll do that, for now it's unecessary"

Yeah you. You have 5 spots for relief pitchers, do you have 4 closers?

El Padrino said...

"holds guy effects K, H, ERA, WHIP"

do you know what adverse means?

a HR only effects the 4 categories positively where as a hold can cost you ERA and whip

it's not unusual for a top holds guy to sport a high whip/era

El Padrino said...

Yeah you. You have 5 spots for relief pitchers, do you have 4 closers?

i have 3 closers, one holds guy the rest are starters

Tyler said...

"holds are the easiest statistic to get...anyone who has 0 holds on the season deserves to be in last place"

Every guy I've picked up for holds either landed on the DL or got moved into the closing role because the closer is on the DL. Or in the case of Derrick Turnbow, he sucks, but then got a save out of nowhere.

blue said...

"a HR only effects the 4 categories positively where as a hold can cost you ERA and whip"

yeah, a HR hitter who is occupying a spot in your lineup, who has a bad week, doesn't effect the stats adversely? a guy who goes 1/25 doesn't destroy your avg/ops/runs/rbis?

H said...

"Cummy is cumfasting LoV this morning"

was this on his blog or Shammy's?

blue said...

turnbow is hilarity

Keith S said...

"i have 3 closers, one holds guy the rest are starters"

So how often do you have 3 starters pitching on the same day?

blue said...

like I said, different strokes for different folks...meiz likes having 37 position players and 5 pitchers.

Keith S said...

"was this on his blog or Shammy's?"

Lemmings blog

El Padrino said...

"So how often do you have 3 starters pitching on the same day?"

never, two of them go at the same time

Keith S said...

"never, two of them go at the same time"

So that means you have 1 open pitching spot that never gets used.

Keith S said...

R.I.P. "Late Night"

El Padrino said...

"So that means you have 1 open pitching spot that never gets used."

correct.

Tyler said...

"holds guy effects K, H, ERA, WHIP...and can get a cheap W every now and then....holds guys play almost every day, you can't play 3 SS in one day"

Tops holds guys from last year are in the 65-95 IP range. That's not much more than the top closers. One good starter will effect K, H, ERA, WHIP way more than a middle-relief or closer will. I think Eric Karabell wrote something a couple of years ago that if he has an elite closer, he trades him after the All-Star break for a similar closer with a high ERA/WHIP and gets a starter or a bat too. He broke it down with the math and the difference between Papelbon and Todd Jones really doesn't hurt your ERA/WHIP all that much because of the IP. If you have a starter on a hot streak, it will more than make up for it.

Tyler said...

He was basically saying that people over-value the Papelbons because they see that low ERA/WHIP and figure they MUST be better than other guys who get a similar amount of saves.

El Padrino said...

agreed
discussion over
we rocked lov to sleep

blue said...

yes, but you can't just go pick up a good starter or any closer off the waiver wire, you can go get a holds guy

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