Monday, November 20, 2006

I love the smell of Haterade in the morning

So naturally, being a Michigan fan, I'm supposed to be hateful and whiny this morning. I'm supposed to be spiteful and complain about calls and that we got jipped or something.. but really, I'm not even that sad about the loss. First of all, I didn't expect UM to beat OSU. I said it a few weeks back, but UM is not a GREAT team. They are really, really solid, but they are by no means absolutely dominant, or deserving of a number 1 seed. OSU is the only team this year that can claim that. UM is a solid number 2. They are definitely second best to that OSU team. But does that mean they deserve an automatic rematch? I say not if USC runs the table. I think they're the only team that can try to claim the runner-up spot besides Michigan. And yes, we're talking about a team that already lost to OSU. Wait, "they didn't play OSU yet", you say. No, USC lost to *Oregon State*. If you're gonna knock UM, the least you can say about that team is that they lost by a FIELD GOAL to the number one team in the nation. On both sides there were bad plays, the penalty on 4th down against UM (which was a insanely dumb hit), the fumbles/bad snaps for OSU.. neither team played a perfect game. But you look at what we thought a week ago (OSU 1, UM 2) and you realize that this time, the polls are dead correct. Michigan showed that they are definitely a number 2, and yet they are close enough to be considered the main threat to the number 1 spot.

So propers are dealt to OSU for a great game, and having a great team. Add in that UM looked slightly under-prepared and ill-managed, and you see why OSU won. But there are no excuses in the book that can take away the fact that OSU is just a great team, and simply ended up with the ball last, so they won. This game was similiar to the USC/Texas matchup last year. You felt as if whichever team scored last would win. If they played a fifth quarter, we would've just kept on scoring back and forth. One team didn't really lose this game, it was more like time just ran out. Classic matchup, good rivalry, lots of quality players making quality plays.. it really was a good effort, even though my team lost. I am content to say that UM, for the most part, played as good as they could've. They left it on the field and made the fans proud. Like I mentioned though, as far as from my side, I think the coaches helped lose this as much as the players did. Some questionable calls by Lloyd and the staff. Why so conservative on O? How long do you stick with a zone D before you realize "hey, you're playing against the Heisman winner here". But, overall, they showed up, and I'm content with that. Do I wanna see another crack at them? Yes. But will that really show who's best, after a 50 day layoff? I think the bowl stuff sucks. It's alot of pomp and circumstance just for show and money. This illusion of a football championship is busted. You can't have that much of a layoff and then try to crown a champ. Kind of a disservice to the players and fans, but that's how it's been, and that's how it'll be for the foreseeable future.

Nextly, I do have to say that I think the OSU was also a disgrace. I realize that circumstances are out of their control, as they said the field was replaced due to all the rain and bad weather that has been in that region. But the one reason I would blindly vote for a rematch was because I think they totally jipped the fans and the players themselves by making them play on a dumpy field. I'm not saying that either team won or lost because of the bad field, but you cannot sit there and believe that the game wasn't affected by it. I just think it sucks that a game means that much to the standings, to the 2 teams rivalry, to fans everywhere... and you come up with a shitty field that interrupts what really matters. The players. I was getting pissed off watching a championship caliber game being played on a less-than-high-school-quality field. Seeing people slip and fall numerous times sucks. Seeing people slip and fall and have it directly affect the play, that's embarrassing. I'm not saying that either team had the advantage cause they were both obviously on the same field, but damnit, I wanna see a game that is decided by great players making great plays. This is the equivalent of a hoops game being decided by the refs. Nobody wants to see that crap. I don't wanna see super-quick Steve Breaston absolutely lose his footing 2 yards from a first down. I wanna see someone make a play on him.

So if USC runs the table, I say give 'em a crack. Final games are Cal (won), ND, UCLA. That's a stretch of quality opponents. Although they lost to a weak team (oregon st), and even Florida's loss came against a decent team (a continually sketchy Auburn team), I would say FL is about out of it at this point. If FSU was a worthy opponent, like any other year, then the Gators would've had a chance. But that, combined with scheduling cream puff, 1-AA teams at the end of the year will prove to hurt their chances. Sweet, 62-0. Nice warmup for the division/bowl season. And ND has no chance. Pack your bags for another bowl, you have zero chance of the NC game.

Either way, there's a high probability of seeing OSU hold up the crystal ball. They are clearly the best overall team. If one team plays perfect, and OSU plays only average, then they can be beat. Other than that, please make sure the addresses are correct on the labels, cause they're gonna be shipping the Heisman AND the NC trophy to Columbus.

119 comments:

The Rev said...

Agreed with you on one thing. Even though both teams have to deal with the field conditions equally, it is a shame to see the "game of the century" not played on a quality field.

The Rev said...

I'm sure we all are waiting for ElPadrino's take on Lambeau. I am for sure.

As an appetizer, I'll give you some thoughts on my game at MSG Saturday night. I'll try to keep it to a few mouse scrolls.

- I like MSG. It's a lot smaller inside than I ever imagined it. I always imagined it was huge, but at the top of the arena I felt closer to the game than I thought I would.

- The food is boring. But I do have to say it is the first time I ever had the option of buying a knish at a game. And they weren't bad.

- 2 Tickets... $76
Hot dog, knish, soda... $10.75
Seeing Isiah Thomas get ejected from the game in the 4th quarter... priceless!

- Celebs at the game besides Spike Lee... Patrick Ewing who got a great ovation, Paul Simon, Matthew Modine, and Robert Randolph. No, I didn't meet any of them.

- Somehwat funny story... when Ewing came in, he walked through the stands to an ovation which got our attention. But from our seats, we couldn't tell who it was at first. It was my lady who first said to me before I got a chance to say it, "Do you think it is Patrick Ewing?" I didn't think she knew who he was. I was impressed. She loved the game by the way.

- Thoughts on the Knicks from what I saw... Eddy Curry is useless. He had a few early baskets. But then he missed two gimmie layups in the game. The guy is wasting space. Quentin Richardson picked up 5 fouls and a technical by the mid 3rd quarter and hadn't even scored a point yet. I don't know what is worse... the fact that he had that many fouls, or the fact that Zeke felt the need to use him with 4 fouls in the 3rd. Knicks fans seem to love David Lee, probably because he is not Eddy Curry. It's embarassing when the bench player like Lee out rebounds your starting center for the season in less minutes. Jamal Crawford was a scoring machine, but the attack was pretty unbalanced. Stephon Marbury seemed more concerned about dishing the assists than scoring. And based on what I saw that night, Renaldo Balkman can be a nice player in the NBA. Not a star, not a superstar, but a nice player. His block on Pierce before halftime was sick. He could be a spark plug off the bench type of guy. The Knicks have some good players, but those guys who drag them down really drag the whole team down.

- The Celts... they had 4 players in double digits. Pierce dominated of course. Sebastian Telfair in the beginning looked like he was trying to impress his boys from Brooklyn. Wally Sczerbiak just hustles his ass off. Ryan Gomes can score his ass off. Doc Rivers used less substitutions than I thought. And this night, he actually looked like the better coach, but conisder his opponent. It was probably the best the Celts could look all year.

- The game... entertaining, but sloppy. The Celts damn near blew a 20 point lead in the third quarter. The Knicks had great moments on defense with a ton of blocked shots, but they evened it out with some terrible D. Defense was putrid on both sides. Too many players getting open in the paint. Celts won 122-118. Lots of Boston fans got in the arena, and it was far from sold out.

whocares said...

Why is everyone claiming Michigan is the undisputed #2? There are probably 10-15 teams in the country that could have put up the exact same showing. Not saying that's a bad thing against UM, just saying that there are plenty of quality teams out there. UM fans are trying to pull a ND from last year and parlay a close loss into a win.

They lost. They should drop to 7-8.

ToddPacker said...

good post IAM...i agree with most of what you say...except the Gators criticism… creampuff or no creampuff UF has a better SOS the UM and OSU. so just because they scheduled a rare late season creampuff their SOS is still solid

also don't go and give the trophy to OSU...I remember in recent years when the odds on favorite went on to choke in the NC game...OSU beat Miami, LSU beat OK, UT beat USC....all of those teams that lost the NC game were the "team to beat" going in

i realize it's a two team race between USC and UM...I would rather see USC than a rematch

ToddPacker said...

"UM fans are trying to pull a ND from last year and parlay a close loss into a win."


great analogy...it does have a sort of ND ring to it.

Martin VanNostrand said...

"One team didn't really lose this game, it was more like time just ran out."

This was a great line and summary. Some games can only be explained this way.

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ebntx said...

back from weekend trip and killed 2 hours reading comments.

and no mention of that cowboys upset over the colts? i called that in the comments on thursday's post.

anonymous said...

"They lost. They should drop to 7-8."

so because #1 beat #2, which is what SHOULD happen, they should drop THAT far? how is UM gonna drop below ND? i could see dropping below UF and USC, so max #4... but USC lost to a shit school, and UF lost to a decent squad. if USC loses, UF has a claim, but other than that, "10-15 teams" dont stand a chance.

so youre saying Rutgers should be in the title game? theyre top 15...

Martin VanNostrand said...

Rev - sounds like MSG was a good time. I guess Balkman got comfortable at home early in the season since his NIT experience allowed him to log minutes in MSG.

"Stephon Marbury seemed more concerned about dishing the assists than scoring". I would have thought this to be a good thing. Less of a touches clash and kind of knowing your role type deal. Unless of course it was a moment where he really needed to take over and he deferred.

The Rev said...

Let's just say that I don't think your bench player should be the one taking over in scoring the way Crawford did. And while Marbury does no good throwing up shots left and right, I think he could have asserted himself more.

I don't know if there was one moment Marbury needed to take over, but it's more like the whole game. Marbury seemed a little invisible to me. He got 8 assists and 8 points, but they were quiet. He was solid, but he was far from the star. Steve Francis had more of a presence than Marbury.

Then again, maybe it's a good thing Marbury deferred. They did put up 118 points, and probably should have had 8 more on easy botched layup attempts of which there were several.

anonymous said...

and TP, im not knocking UF's overall schedule, but just pointing out that they have a sucky end of season schedule (mainly blaming FSU), which wont help in the eyes of the voters.

The Rev said...

I can't believe I'm actually analyzing the Knicks. Sorry if it bores you. I'll stop if you want.

But overall, seeing Isiah having to leave the court in shame was definitely the highlight. Worth the price of admission alone.

And, I would have expected more loud booing from the Knicks fans at that moment, but they seem too demoralized to really care. Or, there were a few too many happy Boston fans. Not a strong showing from the Knicks faithful, but I guess I can't blame them.

The Rev said...

By the way... I'll give props to ElP. His NYC recommendations were gold. I used two of his recommendations, and they were fantastic. Thank you, ElP!

anonymous said...

why the heisman race is a joke:

from nationalchamps.net, which is run by a heisman voter...

his top 5 candidates:

troy smith (winner)
brady quinn (are you kidding?)
steve slaton
Colt Brennan
Garrett Wolfe

youre telling me mike hart is nowhere in this guy's top ten? hell, chad henne has better career #'s than Quinn.. yet he's nowhere near the list.

Spaceman Spiff said...

OSU gave UM a chance to win the game, they tried to give it to them, 3 turnovers and UM still couldnt get it done. if 2 teams are pretty evenly matched and 1 team wins the turnover battle 3-0 they should definitely win the game.

El Padrino said...

im back, just got into work
what a fucking weekend

top ten time of my life for sure
tw's post will have details

rev-
1. your welcome
2. your pretty spot on with your analysis. Marbury is trying way too hard to get everyone involved and it all stems from media cracking this guy mentally that he is not a good PG at all.
3. David Lee is a stud, hands down one of Zeke's best picks
4. everyone said "WHAT!!" when Balkman's name was called but like you said, he wil be a quality player in this league.

curious, which two rec's did u use?

and IAM, nice fucking post
I wasn't disapointed either, they left it all on the field.

anonymous said...

SOS Rankings, as of today..

46. Florida (9-1) 0.035
47. Michigan (11-1) 0.034
95. Ohio State (12-0) -0.133

and Power Rankings... "record vs top 10 teams" is listed second. please note that UM has played 3 games vs top 10.. while some havent played any.

1. Ohio State (12-0) 64.2, 1-0
2. Michigan (11-1) 58.9, 2-1
3. USC (9-1) 53.8, 1-0
4. Wisconsin (10-1) 50.3, 0-1
5. Louisville (9-1) 49.5, 1-0
6. Notre Dame (10-1) 49.3, 0-1
7. West Virginia (8-1) 49.2, 0-1
8. Arkansas (9-1) 48.4 , 0-1
9. Florida (9-1) 47.4, 0-0
10. Boise State (10-0) 46.6, 0-0

The Rev said...

ElP... I sent you an e-mail on them. I used the Dimple suggestion for the Indian meal, and it may have been the best I ever had. I also checked out Fat Sal's pizza. Very good.

The more I look at the Knicks, the more I think the guys like Frye, Balkman, Robinson, and Crawford may be better than the starting 5. That starting 5 is a drag. They played better when guys like Curry and Richardson were riding the pine.

Martin VanNostrand said...

So the media is mind effing Starbury. They did the same to E Rent in Boston in the 05 season.

Rev - did Rondo play much for the Celts? Back on DB's site I tried to hype him some around draft time. I get to see a lot of SEC sports and he was a great player. Not the best scorer but he had handles, decent court vision, could rebound and play D.

anonymous said...

too lazy to link, go to cnn.com
Rev, what's this crap about? glad im old now though..

"WASHINGTON (AP) -- Americans would have to sign up for a new military draft after turning 18 if the incoming chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee has his way.

New York Democratic Rep. Charles Rangel said Sunday he sees his idea as a way to deter politicians from launching wars. He believes a draft would bolster U.S. troop levels that are currently insufficient to cover potential future action in Iran, North Korea and Iraq."

anonymous said...

Kramer's a racist.

El Padrino said...

oh and sorry bout mcnabb rev

Dikembe Meiztombo said...

Wisconsin is 11-1. Not 10-1

Spaceman Spiff said...

what good would a OSU-UM rematch be? if UM wins, both teams have 1 loss, with the loss coming from each other, but UM gets the trophy, sounds great.

Martin VanNostrand said...

Spiff - then the two teams would play a tie breaker at a prison for the real NC and tri-star would make a film about it.

The Rev said...

MV... Rondo got some quality time. He was a presence in the game.

Iam... I don't know what that guy is doing. He sounds like he's kind of a radical lone wolf in this draft thing.

ElP... thank you. But I know deep down you're as sorry about McNabb as I would be sorry to see Tiki Barber go down.

Spaceman Spiff said...

number 1 reason a re-match is a bad idea, SP supports it
" I say play a Michigan-Ohio State rerun in the national championship game 48 days from now. Play it again."
and you damn well know Corso will be picking UM again, so whats the point

anonymous said...

spiff, who's your choice against OSU then?

jugdish said...

I think UM is the second best team in the country and they prooved that the other day, but I also think they should be dropped some, but not to 7 or 8 and not below ND. That's just how the polls work, you lose, you drop. What does that mean? The system sucks, too much is done for the media to play up story lines. USC vs OSU is not nearly as fun as UM vs OSU. Its a shame that these kids can't settle it on the field in a playoff system.

Spaceman Spiff said...

OSU should just get the trophy now, UM has/had the best chance to beat them and didnt.

Spaceman Spiff said...

how much is a christmas bonus from the company supposed to be

whocares said...

IAM,

I'm not suggesting that 10-15 teams deserve a shot at the NC game, just that after OSU (who isnt THAT dominant) there are a bunch of decent teams out there. UM has just as much of a claim to the #2 spot as anyone else, but like jug said, and what I was saying, if you lose this late in the season, you should drop in the polls. You cant just look at head to head matchups and say "Team A beat Team B three months ago, therefore Team A should always stay ranked ahead of Team B."

Just another reason College Football needs help.

Zeke Fucks My Mom said...

Wow, 2:20, and only 33 LOV comments?

kodiac130 said...

Reason #10,000 that the BCS sucks ass: I found out yesterday that 3 teams from the same division cannot play in a BCS bowl game during the same year. On paper this might seem logical, but looking at Wisconsin this year, I think it is total bullshit. They lost 1 game this year (to Michigan, no shame in that) and are ranked #8 in the BCS. However, it is pretty much impossible for them to get into a BCS game. Of course, I am a UW Madison alumn and clearly biased. I would love to see UW take on USC, ND, FLA or Ohio State...just to see where they really stand.

anonymous said...

so if they put their biggest game first, like Miami/FSU do, then they bounce each other out and have to win out to get back in it...

whats the difference of losing early or losing late then? losing early or in the middle of the season should mean just as much as losing late does (as long as its to a quality, ranked team). if michigan lost to OSU first game of the year, and then ran the table like this year, then we would be saying UM "earned its way back".

ie, just bc they lost to #1 doesnt automatically make them worse than ND, whom they BLEW OUT.

i think USC/UF/UM are about as close to the number 2 spot as possible. however, UM lost to the best team avaiable. the other 2 lost to shitty teams, hence the drop shouldnt be all that much (if any).

it's kinda simple math.. if A beats B, and B beats C, then you assume A is better than C as well. i know what youre saying about basing it off of 3 months ago, but you cant totally neglect the past. ND got dipped hard, and nothing will change that. just bc UM just lost to OSU doesnt make ND (or anybody) automatically better because they havent lost in 2-3 months.

army.. navy.. air force.. brady quinn for the heisman, yada yada...

anonymous said...

and wth is everyone today?

Stiggy said...

Congrats to Ryan Howard on winning the NL MVP.

THE CHAMP. said...

"what good would a OSU-UM rematch be? if UM wins, both teams have 1 loss, with the loss coming from each other, but UM gets the trophy, sounds great."

So in any sport if you beat a team in the regular season you should never have to play them in a championship game? So I guess the Miami Heat should never have gotten to the NBA Champ. last year because the Pistons owned them in the reg. season (so did multiple other teams).

The Steelers should never have been in the Super Bowl because they had a crappy reg. season against playoff teams.

The Cardinals should never have been in the world series becasue they sucked coming down the stretch and had one of the worst records of any of the playoff teams.

Dook basketball should never be in the nat. champ. game because....well just becuase.

They already played each other argument is retarted.

Also, please name the 10-15 teams that could have done what UM did on Saturday. I'll give you MAYBE 3. UF, USC, Wisconsin (why don't they get named more?)

Please don't say ND, UM beat them them by how much?

El Padrino said...

i'm hungover from sat night still

The Rev said...

God must hate Eagles fans.

First, McNabb gets lost for the season. Now, this...

Another member of Buddy Ryan's defense from the late 80's dies

I don't know what it is about that defensive unit, but this makes the third member that has died way too soon.

THE CHAMP. said...

RE: Buddy Ryan's defense...


cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Spaceman Spiff said...

if college football had playoffs like all the other scenarios you mentioned, then the already played each other argument would be retarded.

The Rev said...

I think you're thinking of Cris Carter there. He was the cokehead from what I remember.

They're saying Andre Waters may have been a suicide now. Damn!

jugdish said...

You can't compare any of the pro sports to college football Bryan. Well you can, but it won't make any sense because all those sports have what college football lacks, a playoff system. So even though the Cards had an OK regular season, they still have to win to make their way to the championship game. The same is true in all the other scenarios.

I think UM should drop to 3 or 4 at the most and USC should move up to 2 for the simple reason that they had their chance.

The Rev said...

I would love to se Ohio State and Michigan mix it up again, this time on a good field. Don't tell me that wouldn't be entertaining.

To those who say having a rematch would be boring, I say aren't you bored with USC being in it every year?

Michigan or USC... either one would be great to see against Ohio St equally.

As long as ND doesn't sneak their way in. I'm cool with it.

Dikembe Meiztombo said...

I'm dealing with idiots and noobs today. I'm fucking irate.

jugdish said...

Ohh I think it would be a good game, I just don't think it should happen. If USC trounces ND and doesn't move up to #2, then they will have gotten screwed.

temwr said...

zeke is out of town for the hollidays isn't he? i just got back from a trip.

anyway...I am indifferent between a rematch and seeing OSU play USC or FL, it's all the same to me. All 4 are quality schools. I understand the logic that UM had its shot and failed, but then again it wasn't at a neutral site either...so...yeah I don't care who plays OSU in the title game.

RE: Heismann

Mrs. BQ, MD, jr should not be # 2 on that list. It should read:

Smith, Slaton, White, Hart, whocares....yeah I am a WVU homer, so maybe go ahead and take White off there, but he doesn't get near enough credit for that offense. He makes HUGE plays all the time. So I am giving him credit in the LOV blog.

RE: picture. I'll change it later. I am at home now and going to take a nap.

El Padrino said...

SP is giving serious fellatio to Romo today

jugdish said...

whocares...congrats! I didn't know you were a candidate for the Heisman!

temwr said...

oh and sorry about McNabb rev.

and meiz, sorry you are dealing with noobs all day.

and this will be a slow LOV week because of the holliday. Next monday we will hit 600 comments.

Martin VanNostrand said...

Spiff - on the christmas bonus our company used to do a review of each employee on a 1 - 5 scale. Whatever your score you got that percentage of your year to date earnings at bonus time. A score of 4.2 = 4.2% bonus which is then taxed at 30% as it's unearned wages. Sucks but better than nothing.

This year they replaced our "year end incentive bonus" or christmas bonus with a new program where you can allegedly get more dough but it's harder to get. A few of the sales staff and some upper management will cash out but needless to say the company is saving a ton of scrilla this year.

temwr said...

whocares makes my heismann list. just ahead of wolfe, johnson, quinn and some other good player i am completely forgetting about.

ok nap time. i had to get up at like 4am and fly somewhere, i'm home now and tired as hell.

anonymous said...

anybody have him in the death pool?!

THE CHAMP. said...

In no way am I saying that USC doesn't deserve a shot. I agree with IAM. But to say that because a team beat a team in the regular season means that they shouldn't get to play them in a national championship game is absurd. If that's your only reason for not allowing UM in than it's a pretty shaky argument.

anonymous said...

i would be totally fine with USC pounding ND, then hopping UM to play in the title game. i just wanna see a competitive game. as long as you can give me a competitive game, then im happy.. but to tell me that UF/ND will do that.. thats just stretching it. if USC can balls up and bring the heat, then i'd love to see a second team get a shot at OSU. i just think overall, UM has the best shot at a win. but if usc looks tight.. then by all means.. step up, cause they went through a pretty quality end of year schedule.

jugdish said...

I heard if there is a rematch they are going to mic Maurice Clarrett in prison, and let him watch the game.

El Padrino said...

a total disaster would be a USC loss to ND, that would be awful

The Rev said...

Andre Waters in the death pool... I'll tell you, his teammates from that defense just by association might be strong candidates. There seems to be a curse now.

Let's just say if I'm Clyde Simmons, Eric Allen, Wes Hopkins, Mike Golic, etc, I'm a little nervous now.

The Rev said...

In a related note, there's not a lot of eBay demand for Andre Waters memorabilia yet.

The Rev said...

No more OJ show

El Padrino said...

justice prevailed!

whocares said...

Thanks for the Heisman love!!! I'm probably a dark horse at this point, but really it's an honor just to be mentioned.

I read a good point on TWWL earlier today. One of the writers was saying that after the WVU/UL game everyone was saying that in NO WAY should either of those teams be in the NC game, but after the OSU/UM game (similar game), it's all about a rematch in the NC game?

Honestly, did either of those teams look unbeatable Saturday? 3 Turnovers forced and UM still loses? Michigan, you had your chance. You lost. See you in the Rose Bowl.

The Rev said...

And I didn't get a chance to say this, but thank God for Ryan Howard!

I needed some good sports news today.

ToddPacker said...

Congratulations to Ryan Howard…he deserved the MVP

THE CHAMP. said...

i think the WVU/LU game is different. do you think either of those teams could be OSU?

I agree that UM blew some good opportunities but outside of USC I don't see anyone that could come close to OSU.

If USC would have played OSU to a 3 point game and I didn't think there was anyone else that could beat OSU, I would pull for a USC/OSU rematch.

Let's not turn this into sports talk radio/TWWL where there's no rational thought.

THE CHAMP. said...

why does baseball wait so long to give out awards and why do they come out a little at a time? there's like one a week for the entire off season. Shouldn't they do an awards show right before the world series or something?

The Rev said...

Ryan Howard's press conference is now.

I'm going to watch online, and feel good about Philly sports for once.

ToddPacker said...

“i just wanna see a competitive game. as long as you can give me a competitive game, then im happy.. but to tell me that UF/ND will do that.. thats just stretching it.”



Not sure I agree…you can’t tell me for sure it wouldn’t be competitive…I seem to recall an Illinois team that was able to hang with OSU…..Sure OSU would probably knock the crap out most of the top 10 teams, but on the same note any one of the top 10 team has the chance to be at least competitive. I'm just saying UM had their chance, step away and give someone else a crack.

whocares said...

Here are a list of teams that could play with OSU (not necessarily beat them but could hang just as well as UM):

Michigan
Wisconsin
USC
Cal
Texas
Oklahoma
Florida
Ark
WVU
Louisville
ND

And probably several other two loss teams from the power conferences (yeah, I'm an SEC homer).

You cant just say that since UM played them close they should get another shot and are hands down the second best team. Illinois played them close too, do they deserve another shot at beating them?

Michigan, quit being Notre Dame.

Spaceman Spiff said...

in a funny twist, favre is ok, rodgers is out for the season

THE CHAMP. said...

So if the BCS had done the "plus one" game this year it would have been great. right? isn't the BCS always about a year behind?

Why do the bowl games have to be so far away? Is it simply for the holiday season? I would rather them play the NC game 2 weeks after the last conference championship game. then the teams are still in their "prime" and most everyone can recover from the smaller injuries.

In 50 days could we play a couple of playoff games?

THE CHAMP. said...

Play OSU to:

Within 3 points
USC
Michigan

Within 7 points
Florida
Cal

Within 2 TDs
Texas
Ark

These guys might be able to put on their uniform the right way before the game:

WVU
Louisville
ND

anonymous said...

let me help trim down that list a little bit. take off:

Wisconsin
Cal
Texas
Oklahoma
Ark
WVU
Louisville
ND

texas versus OSU already happened. 24-7 if i remember correctly. and UM doubled up both WI and ND.

UM might have a rematch with ND in the rose bowl (as some on espn are saying)?? that sucks even more..

Jay Scott said...

i'd say Texas would have a better game against them now that Colt has some experience, but he's injured now so the game would be even worse than before

THE CHAMP. said...

why wouldn't Cal be in the Rose bowl?

I'd take that matchup

THE CHAMP. said...

Ladies and Gentleman your 2007 National Championship Game MVP:

Mrs. Brady Quinn, MD


Do you really want to hear those words? DO YOU?

anonymous said...

if we're trying to avoid the rematch at all costs, i could go for usc/osu and cal/um. or um/texas might not be bad if McCoy can recover in the 4 months while we wait for bowl games.

Jay Scott said...

I would rather hear any ND player's name over a USC name

whocares said...

Wait, so one of the only teams that can hang with OSU is a USC team that lost to Oregon F'ing State???!!!!

That proves my point exaclty. Any of the teams I listed could come out and play with OSU on any day. You cant just say, Michigan beat Notre Dame by "x", OSU beat Michigan by "y", therefore OSU would beat ND by "x+y".

That oversimplifies the HELL out of the actual gameplay, matchups, etc.

whocares said...

And I hope I'm not coming off as being a Notre Dame supporter, because I hate Notre Dame.

anonymous said...

i think corey & carson mushed us saying "you guys get tons of comments".

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anonymous said...

whocares, USC actually has a good schedule (vs ND's), so if they can come back and run the table, i think they 'earn' their way back in (as far as the masses go).

still doesnt change that they lost to a suckass team, and UM's ONLY loss is to the #1.

whocares said...

And Wisconsin's only loss is to the #2. Should they be #3?

ToddPacker said...

two words: effin' playoffs....

What do you guys think when some anti-playoff guys sez that “the fact that people argue over this kind of stuff every year is better than a playoff”....

ToddPacker said...

busy day today....can't wait for the EP packer road trip stories tomorrow...i got a feelin it's going to be better then SG's GB article

The Rev said...

That anti-playoff guy needs a ball dip.

whocares said...

THE ONLY benefit to the current system is that it makes every game count and there is no room for error. If you lose, there is a damn good chance you are out of the NC hunt. Not always, as we see now, but usually.

Things like the Steelers winning the SB are what's wrong with the NFL regular season. All you have to do is be in the top section of the league and youre in the playoffs. Makes each individual game not quite as important.

ToddPacker said...

whocares


i hope you're not saying the NFL should go to a BCS-type ranking to determine who plays in the superbowl

ToddPacker said...

"That anti-playoff guy needs a ball dip."

perfect

Dikembe Meiztombo said...

Yes, of course Wisconsin should be #3.

El Padrino said...

i'm half way through it

it's really long

Dikembe Meiztombo said...

I love how WI gets minimal love and then goes out and does something like taking Auburn to the woodshed in last year's Capital One Bowl.

whocares said...

not at all TP, but if there is one redeeming quality to the BCS, I would say that's it. I would looooove to see a playoff.

I'm an Auburn fan for Christ's sake. Two years ago I watched my team win every game on their schedule (most of them in a route) and had to settle for Va Tech in the sugar Bowl. I wouldve given my pinky for a playoff.

ToddPacker said...

"I love how WI gets minimal love and then goes out and does something like taking Auburn to the woodshed in last year's Capital One Bowl."

good point meiz, how come Wisconsin isn't getting the 1-loss-team-love...they're not really on anyones radar and will are going to get screwed out of a bsc bowl game...

ToddPacker said...

i still can't believe Auburn went undefeated an didn't get into the NC game that year...was that USC and OK right...three undefeated teams (major conference)is pretty rare...that was a tough one for tuberville to digest

ToddPacker said...

"i'm half way through it
it's really long"


Like, Rev long?...lets try and keep it under 15 scrolls...i don't want to have to deal with an exhausted mouse hand just two days before thanksgiving...that's my fork shoveling hand

ToddPacker said...

100...couldn't leave the comment total at 99

JFreak said...

"And Wisconsin's only loss is to the #2. Should they be #3?"

Same with ND.

The two people with the crappiest losses are USC and Florida. Why should they be ranked over people like Wisconsin and ND?

ToddPacker said...

"The two people with the crappiest losses are USC and Florida. Why should they be ranked over people like Wisconsin and ND?"

because they have more quality wins

The Rev said...

"Like, Rev long?...lets try and keep it under 15 scrolls"

I love the fact that I am the benchmark for length. Y'all are just jealous of my skills.

Man up and enjoy it! So what if it is long, as long as it is interesting. I'm sure it wil be.

If anything, it will make great can reading tomorrow. It ought to be good for at least a 10 minute dump.

ToddPacker said...

just kiddin Rev...nothing wrong with the long posts, it's just something that your stuck with, kind of like big-head jokes

whocares said...

So a loss to Auburn is as bad as a loss to Oregon State? I agree AU was overrated to start the season, but they are DEFINITELY a top 10-15 team this year.

temwr said...

And WVUs only loss was to a good Louisville team...Yeah I know their SOS sucks, but their only loss is not a bad loss...It doesn't mean anything, I'm just sayin.

Isiah Thomas said...

the SEC is being exposed as overrated week by week.

LSU at home needing OT to beat Ole Miss.

Re-read that SEC fans.

Isiah Thomas said...

wait wait wait....

UM "missed their chance" or "blew their chance". WTH?

They lost to the #1 team by 3 points on the road all the while playing on a shit field, 1 day after their patriarch who addressed the team on Thursday died, then played their worst game, and only lost by 3. Yet they blew their chance? Uhhhh, no.

Isiah Thomas said...

if Wisconsin should get more love as a one loss team that helps UM who gave them said one loss.

Isiah Thomas said...

and Bielema (sp) and the Ba-ya-dgers should get more love.

whocares said...

Zeke,

You have yet to explain how one SEC team beating another makes the SEC overrated. Didnt UT, AU, and LSU make their points when all three laid the wood to the Pac-10?

And that suuuuure was a ton of excuses in those last few posts.

Dikembe Meiztombo said...

I'm totally not gonna sweat the Badgers lack of love this season. PJ Hill's gonna be a Soph and we'll have Donovan who's a much better QB than Stocco. The defense is always gonna be fine as is that home-bred O-Line.

Keith S said...

zeke,
First, both teams played on the shit field, not just Mishitgan. Second, they won the turnover battle 3-0, on a tipped pass and 2 muffed snaps, yet they still lost. Third, whenever 2 teams line up and have equal talent on the field, it comes down to coaching. It's obvious that Tressel has Llllloyd by the nuts right about now. Why should OSU have to beat Mishitgan twice to earn the Nat'l Championship? UM had their shot, they couldn't finish it off, so bring on the next "contender".

JFreak said...

Michael Richards

I was watching Letterman tonight, Richards came on to apologize and everyone thought it was a joke. It was just strange. The whole entire time I was waiting for him to bust out laughing. Seinfeld was on too, and he did the whole "This isn't funny" routine. All just very weird.

JFreak said...

Olympic news

Los said...

It's nice to see Richards in the news again ... how many years has it been since Seinfeld ended?

Zeke Fucks My Mom said...

Yea, you know what's fucked up about celebrities...the thing that really pisses me off.

He can act like buffoon on stage, say really stupid shit. And it will eventually make him rich because of it.

ToddPacker said...

"the SEC is being exposed as overrated week by week.

LSU at home needing OT to beat Ole Miss.

Re-read that SEC fans."


using that same logic one can say the the big 10 is overrated since OSU only beat Illinois by 7....

just because the SEC is deeper than most confernces does not mean it's overrated...

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