Tuesday, October 03, 2006

Battle of the Backups and the Official Rules to "Paying" College Athletes

-What a tremendous game last night! Brett Favorite and the Pack held close for.. well, for a half. (Can you seriously go down on a player more than they do on BF? Maybe the Yankees as a team get more slobbing, but as a player.. BF is up there). And 'held close' was more like, 'got help' to hold it close. Were the Eagles just messing with them? Is McNabb just trying different things just to see what'll work? I think he was toying with em. But I think his RB wasn't. He was trying. However, try harder, cause my man fumbled a couple of important balls. This game was kinda painful to watch. Anytime BF looks GOOD, you know that's a bad game. He's still got skills, no doubt, but he seems to not care anymore, and that's hurting an already bad team. Donovan had to basically cut ties with his RB and take the rock himself. 2 TDs in the air, 2 on the floor.

-You've probably heard about Laettner & Davis (ex-ies from Duke) being in a group to buy the Memphis Grizz. You wanted it, and here it is. The catch.

He wants to play. Hmm.

Hello Mr. Jordan? Hi, this is Christian Laettner. Yeah, so how does that "being part of the team but forcing your way onto the court" thing work exactly?..

-And finally on the recap side of things, base-a-ball is starting up tonight. The real season. Will anyone defeat the Empire? Seems that everyone at the eastcoastbiasedbased WWL sure thinks the Yanks are gonna stomp their way through. We'll see. Doesn't it seem like there's a bunch of slumping teams going into the playoffs this year? The Yankmees seem like the one team hitting their stride. Here's to the Mets at least..

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Ok, and this is the point at which you can tune out. Here's a quasi-article (And I believe a first for LOV). If you're bored, read it. If not, I'm sure you're not missing much. Topic is.. college athletes and money. All of us here are basically on a rotation posting-wise, so I've had to hold onto this for a little bit.. but it was relevant at one point in the recent past. Without further ado..
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Why college athletes should be paid.

Now, before the bleeding hearts start screaming about payment 'to one athlete over another' being unfair, let me explain. Maybe the better word is "compensated".

Colleges get students to come to their school by providing free education. Your room and board is covered. Food is often taken care of as well (ie, vouchers/stamps). Most of the student's time is taken up practicing and training for their sport. The rest of the time is alloted for actual schoolwork (and at this point we will not bring up the sketchy situation that is 'college tutors'). But, the time that an average student athlete has is very limited. This is why we see kids with fake "front" jobs. Jobs that are fronts for them to make some cash. (ie, the recent OU kid who "worked" at a dealership, which basically consisted of him showing up and picking up his paycheck. Maybe he should've done Direct Deposit.)

But the previous statements are what is true for a normal athlete. Someone playing volleyball, girls softball, tennis, swimming or anything really. What hasn't been brought into play is the extra strain on the students that play in the large sports. Basketball, football, and even baseball and hockey to a lesser extent. Bottom line is that there are far more strains on the football/basketball kids than on some random swimmer. TV interviews, games halfway across the country, national TV games, etc. These athletes take on many extra requirements due to their sports being so highly publicized. Their awards and many of their games are nationally broadcast, so basically you have the whole country watching your every move.

The schools, in all of this, are collecting money hand over fist at the expense of these kids. They are putting them on display as an entertainment product, and are being reimbursed as such. Entertainment is where the dollars are, and everyone from the TV stations selling ads to the colleges gaining more exposure know this. It is your entertainment dollar that is going directly to these schools, which provides them with the opportunity to exploit these kids each and every year. Now maybe 'exploit' is a harsh term, because they are being semi-compensated, but that is basically what is happening.

What I propose is to provide all student athletes with the opportunity to obtain their own endorsement deals. Full disclosure. Bring things out in the open. No more sneaking around and paying people off behind the scenes. This would help to clear up the back-alley atmosphere that surrounds college athletics, but also it would provide students in "low profile" sports the opportunity to make legitimate profits off of their talents.

For example, let's take the example of a swimmer, and let's imagine this kid came from a relatively small town. He/she is not a high profile athlete, but maybe they have a decent local following. Big fish in a little pond, so to speak. These kids are not going pro in anything after college. Basically, their talents and publicity will wain once they graduate from school. This is their personal pinnacle. They won't have this opportunity ever again. This is in stark contrast to the Reggie Bushes of the world. He has thousands of other opportunities beyond his college days, they're practically endless.

But the swimmer is not big-time. Basically, they're nothing to the masses. They are way below the radar. However, they probably have some opportunities on a smaller scale to use their 'celebrity'. Local commercials or maybe trade magazines that deal with their sport would definitely be interested in securing a "mini-celeb" of their stature. They can't afford the local star quarterback, but they could definitely find money in their budget to pay Swimmer for a local commercial spot. They'd be a big enough name for the market that they're in.

Allowing 'Swimmer' to act on this offer would allow them the same basic opportunity that a "major name" athlete would get. They can use their athletic stature for profit. The difference would be that the actual player would be getting the compensation instead of the schools.

As previously stated, this may be the biggest and best thing that Swimmer will ever get the chance to do. Reggie and the Full Effect are going to have their shots at shoes, drinks, crack, whatever. They're gonna do ESPN Mobile (RIP). There are very few athletes *that* high profile coming out each year, so Reggie Bush is a special case. He probably could've attracted endorsement deals in high school if he was allowed.

The main argument against "paying" college athletes is because not all the athletes are going to get deals. Well, that's the way the world works, people. Not everyone lands a great job out of school either. Not everyone will secure the same opportunities. But I'm saying that if you open up to allow student athletes to essentially become small-time business people by securing their own opportunities, then you'll do away with back-room payments to families, and fake-front jobs where a kid doesn't work the hours. You shoot a commercial for a car dealership, then you pay the kid for a commercial.

Be up front about it. Let him or her get theirs. Don't pay them under the table for years and then try to blame the kid, parents or school.

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jugdish said...

Question...are you saying that college atheletes should get a portion of the entertainment deals, or simply be allowed to get their own endorsement deals if they can?

El Padrino said...

will paying student athletes take way from the actual games?

right now if you play college ball your ultimate goal is to make it to the pros, yes for money, but because since your a retard and because you didnt take advantage of "real college" you only know how to run fast and shoot a basketball, this is your only avenue. Paying student athletes will take away the drive it takes to become great pros.

I'm on the fence about it

good points though

Bryan said...

That makes more since than anything I've heard to date. But I still don't agree, allowing schools to pay athletes would destroy the mid/low level universities. If an athlete is going to get paid, why would he/she go to a school like Saint Joseph's or UNCW when they could go to a high profile school like Duke/KU/USC and get paid.

One of the best parts about college sports is that sometimes the little guys win too, paying the players would only further stack the top 20 schools, and eliminate the chances of the small market schools. Let the University/Location/Coach/Students remain the draw, and leave the money to the shitty ass professional sports.

Then again, it could end up creating something really cool like, USC Cheerleaders Gone Wild, or Topless Texas Gymnastics. Humm?

anonymous said...

jug, maybe if you wanted to give a flat pay rate to all athletes you could tie in the entertainment deals, but in this case, all i'm saying is "let people choose". if they can secure their own deal, then let em do it...

Isiah Thomas said...

Rev: Still LOVE the Skins chances in the East. Philly shit the bed in their only meaningful game. With as poorly as the Skins have played they're still just 1 game back.

El Padrino said...

but zeke which team is for real?
same thing with the giants
which team is for real

early favorite is clearly Philly

Isiah Thomas said...

EP I don't think you can say Philly is the favorite. They're lumped in with the other 3. I'd give an edge to, gulp, the 'Boys. But when you say that you have to remember that Bledsoe will destroy them eventually.

anonymous said...

bryan,
what im saying, is those kids that wanna go to the local/smaller schools should be allowed to secure their own endorsement deals, or like my example.. do commercials or local spots.

the main crux of my idea is to HELP those smaller schools.. you let Billy Bob, who is a backup at Saint Joe's, go to a fundraiser and get paid for showing up and signing autographs. you let the little guys have these opportunities too.. thats all im saying (someone's gonna pay him, cause they cant afford the star QB). not everyone would be paid... but if you are offered money for an appearance at the opening of the local Walmart or the mall, then so be it.. why is that a problem to these schools? let the kids use their fleeting celebrity to get them some coin in their pocket.

El Padrino said...

ok, i'll buy it
philly hasn't played anyone yet

Skins / Giants
Boys / Eagles

NFC EAST Seperation Sunday

anonymous said...

and yeah, its gonna be a few weeks before we find out which Philly team is fo' real.

Isiah Thomas said...

IAM, great article. It's a ground breaking day at LOV.

I too have been on the pay the ath-a-leets soapbox. I like your idea. Make it a level playing field.

I was looking at this from the major universities perspective. If a football team goes to the BCS and makes $12 mil for their school and conference, and benefits from the exposure, etc. and the players get ZERO, well that's almost like slavery. Sure the better players on better teams will go pro but still, if I'm Reggie Bush and see 10,000 people walking around with my $90 a pop jersey on and I'm not getting ONE PENNY from it, I'd be pissed.

I'll add to IAM's suggestions and also say, for any player on any team that makes their schools athletic department money, set up some sort of wage scale. Instead of paying them outright, put the money in an interest earning trust fund and after the player GRADUATES they can get the money. Seems fair to me.

Isiah Thomas said...

Bryan - I see your point but don't think it would hurt the little guys. How many blue chippers go to the George Mason's of the world? There's a finite number of scholarships and a finite number of kids who can go to the top schools.

There will always be a trickle down effect. Supply and demand. If a kid goes to a lesser school and couldn't get an endorsement deal or their team doesn't make the school money, them the brakes.

Actually GMU would be a great example. Kids who otherwise couldn't go to the big schools and couldn't get paid, since they made a historic run in the tourney they would have to have made their school some money. Thus they'd get a cut. So if the little guy made a run the players would get paid.

Isiah Thomas said...

EP - excactly.

Isiah Thomas said...

McNabb does act kinda corny sometimes.

Los said...

Nice work, IAM. Good thing you didn't send this article into ESPN the magazine, and instead wasted it here.

whocares said...

Iam,

Not a bad concept, the only problem with that is it doesnt really solve any problems, just brings the current ones out into the open.

A rich Alum who owns a car dealership will pony up $50K to the stud recruit if he signs with FSU/USC/ etc. The smaller market teams dont have that kind of fan base, so it would be the same. The kids at the big schools would be bribed to go there, and the smaller schools would suffer.

temwr said...

I like the endorsement idea.

I do agree that it would, in the end, push kids to go to the larger schools and get their money there.

I imagine being the USC back up would be better (monetary wise) than being the starting QB and West Central Texas Community College For The Disabled.

Anyway, there would still be someone to fill the WCTCCFTD starting job, and that person would still get paid, so it might still work.

You know what, fuck it, they should just institute a salary cap by sport and pay all the freaking athletes. And then augment that with some endorsement money if the students could land a deal. I am pretty sure I would pay for Bryan's DVD of Topless USC Cheerleaders.

whocares said...

It's that fuckin Title IX that kills this whole idea. If all the non-revenue generating sports (i.e. women's sports) sees the football team getting all the big endorsements they are going to whine and cry to the NCAA to make sure that they get a cut of everything.

jugdish said...

Overall I don't agree with paying college athletes. I do think there can be circumstances that warrent it, (as far as endorsements go) such as the Jeremy Bloom situation a couple of years ago. I think its rare that an athlete is actually hurt by not being paid. Take out a student loan if you need money like all the other regular students do.

A small percentage of NCAA athletes will make it to the pros in whatever sport they play. For those that DO make it to the pros...they are going to get paid..they aren't missing out on much. For those that don't, but are on scholarship, they get a free education, which is not that bad of a deal really. Ask anyone who is still paying their school loans...so to call it slave labor is a little far fetched to say the least.

Beth82678 said...

Nice article Iam, good way to get some discussion going. But I have a question about your idea. How do you allocate the marketing opportunities for the bigger stars? For example, you mentioned all the people wearing the Reggie Bush jersey to games. Does Reggie get to set up his own jersey deal? Does that stay with the school? Do they each produce competing jerseys?

I know, I'm nitpicking. But while I agree college athletes should get something, the problems come up when the nitpicking starts, but it WILL start at some point. (Too many lawyers out there for it not to.)

And just for the record, I'd also buy the topless USC Cheerleaders calendar. ;-)

Finally, welcome bryan. Nice to see you come with some game.

anonymous said...

zeke, great addition about setting up the trust fund and paying out after graduation.

that almost gets into "who should get what", which is almost too touchy to cover... but if i am reggie's Bush, i am PISSED seeing all those number 5 jerseys in the stands and nothing in my pocket.

getting the schools involved is when it becomes "theyre paying him over him" and finger pointing and such, which for my example, is why i just stuck to "let outside companies pick athletes to sponsor" rather than getting the actual schools involved.

actually, that's a better way to say my argument... "let athletes attain their own sponsorships if theyre available".

Isiah Thomas said...

but is the blue chip recruit even considering the small school? I don't get this argument.

How many blue chip football recruits go, screw Michigan, I'm going to William and Mary!

anonymous said...

whocares,

the girls lacrosse team isnt gonna bitch about this, because if Nike wants to sponser their "star player", then they are allowed to.

see what im saying? if the chicks soccer team has a couple players that, for example, could get paid to show up at an appearance and take pictures with kids, and sign autographs, then they should be allowed to do so. if YOU are gaining off of the kids celebrity status, they should be affored the same opportunity.

every player on every team will not be paid (thats the breaks people).. but if youre on ANY team, or in ANY sport, you can secure your own sponsorships. thats all.

jugdish said...

Good article though IAM. I haven't heard the points about the "little guys" before. However, I do think that 99% of the arguement to pay athletes does not focus or consider the little guy, but the premier athletes in college that will probably make it to the pros and get paid anyways.

What other venue do they have to display their skills? The baseball players can go to the minors (where they can get paid if they want), the NBA now has the development league...so its not like they don't have options and are being taken advantage of.

whocares said...

It's too slippery of a slope to ever allow the players to be paid a single dime.

I do agree that they should be compensated in some way, but there is just too much risk involved, not to mention as said above, they ARE getting a free education.

If you allow them the endorsements then you have someone like Reggie Bush making $2 mil at USC playing next to some dude who aint making jack. Animosity would build, and the guy would quit blocking for him (or whatever the case may be).

Juat too many problems paying these guys...

anonymous said...

and ya know, Zeke's idea made me think.. maybe if they do get cash (for filming a commercial), then put that into an account until after graduation. maybe to cut down on people having to hire bodyguards and getting huge heads from their cash.

Spaceman Spiff said...

so i lost my bet because in the 4th, mcnabb decided to run out of field goal range then get tackled, and then the packers could not score from 1 damn yard out.

anonymous said...

yes, this would be an insanely slippery slope.. which is why the first step would be to keep the schools out of it.. let their money be their money.

El Padrino said...

i like the trust fund, after graduation cash it out.
apperances, commercials, endorsements are a good avenue to earn money while in college

being paid to play is what im against

Isiah Thomas said...

I took the eagles -11.5 about 10 mins before kickoff. I thought I was doomed with that first half performance.

5-0 last weekend in the NFL.

El Padrino said...

girardi fired

go get him cubs!

El Padrino said...

i sat out last night
got burned by the Jags giving up 36 points and losing

El Padrino said...

went 4-2 in pros
(3-0 on the teases)

1-1-1 in college

ToddPacker said...

Good Post IAM

First off I'm not agaist paying college athletes. I think scholorship athletes get paid a great deal. Free clothes, free food, free board and a free education.

One thing about this paying college athletes issue that doesn't make any sense to me. When complaining that they have to practice too much or they have to travel too much or all of the pressure they have to deal with. Remember this was their choice.
They don't have to do anything. They don't have to play for/attend a college. They chose to play/be recruited by these schools, usually for financial gain. This to me is like volunteering for something and then expecting to be paid. The fact that some schools make crazy money with BCS games and jersey sales does suck, but that's just the way of life in college athletics.

anonymous said...

EP.. thats exactly what im going for.. "earning money" from outside avenues, rather than "being paid".

that's a far better term to use for this situation..

Isiah Thomas said...

EP what's your overall record? You've gotta have a SH type record for the season.

anonymous said...

give them the ability to earn money through other avenues (ie, commercials, appearances, etc) if they can. that's where im headed with this.

NOT flat-rate paying everyone.

Isiah Thomas said...

I went to a small school and was talking to a soccer player who brought up the "we should get paid" argument. I reminded him that he was out of state and his tuition was $20+ k a year and he was getting free food and rooms on top of that. So in essence he was getting paid $25k a year.

I then reminded him his team didn't make the school any money and I, a non-scholarship student, was being charged a fee for something like "athletic activities" in my tuition.

Paying athaleets should either be if they're making the school money or as Iam suggest can cut their own deals.

The Rev said...

I honestly don't know which side is right. There's too many factors involved.

I actually agree with Bryan (and yes, I'm surprised that I am typing that too). Allowing universities to pay athletes would be a severe disadvantage to lower level schools. You would create a Yankees and Red Sox mentality of schools outspending each other and trying to outdo each other. Now perhaps in this case the actual school wouldn't be doing it, but the alumni and boosters with the big money would be doing it for them. Smaller schools wouldn't have that advantage.

However I do believe it is possible for a smaller school to take advantage of certain opportunities. I saw Saint Joseph's mentioned a lot and it's a perfect example. When they went on the 27-0 run two years ago, I can't tell you how big that team was in Philadelphia. Jameer Nelson owned the city of Philadelphia for months because of that. It is very possible for a smaller school to get athlete celebrities. And if there is one thing I do know about that is that St Joe's sold a shitload of merchandise, and a shitload of Jameer Nelson jerseys because of it.

And while I do see how it would create disadvantages, on the other hand I do think it is slimy how the big schools make a shitload of money off these kids, yet a player could be suspended for getting a free suit for an awards dinner. That part of it is out of whack. I agree with Iam that certain things should be brought out in the open.

If regular college students can go out and get jobs while they are in school, I see no reason why the athletes can't get an endorsement deal or go out and make appearances. We all know hot college girls could go out and get a paid photo shoot for a Playboy calendar and get paid for that. So why can't a college athlete go out and sign some autographs at an event? That part I'm fine with.

If some guy who owns a car dealership is stupid enough to give an athlete $50,000 just because he wants to see his team go 7-4 and make the Blockbuster Bowl, then I say that stupidity is on the guy who gave out the money.

But yes, I do agree that more value should be put on what the athletes do get. A free education makes a huge difference, and I have a student loan bill I'm still paying at age 34 to prove it.

El Padrino said...

21-13
not bad

Isiah Thomas said...

fucking great record.

I already miss the serial killer photo EP.

Isiah Thomas said...

Rev take Shanoffs link down. Its over.

El Padrino said...

he'll be back, just for Oct baseball

whocares said...

Iam,

I like the idea of letting them make their own money, but there would have to be some way to "uncorrupt" that system.

"Making money on endorsements" can quickly become "bribery and extortion."

anonymous said...

Rev, using their appearance money in place of working an actual McD's job is exactly what im saying should be allowed.

the jeremy bloom thing was brought up, and that's a prime example of what is WRONG with the current situation. that whole thing was massive loads of bullshit.

but u gotta keep the schools out of it.. endorsements from outside companies only.

and if you find a kid taking free cars still, then suspend them like they do currently. so if he's on the take, then you kick him out. this will make them go out and "earn" the money other (legit) ways, and have to be up front about it.

Isiah Thomas said...

I just found out if GB would've scored that last touchdown I woulda won the office pool. I already won the Peter King impersonators pool so now I'm pissed.

Mike McCarthy is a tool. Boo.

jugdish said...

They wouldn't have the opportunity to make money on endorsements if they didn't have the avenue of college sports (along with their free education) to showcase their skills.

The NCAA limits what the student athlete can make annually. That was recently waived for a student who needed to make more than that to care for his younger brother. I like how the NCAA handled that situation (case by case basis).

The Rev said...

Wow... Shanoff has a couple of rogue guys stirring up stuff on his blog I see.

Gee, it's not like we ever saw that before.

I don't think keeping Shanoff's link on the page really hurts anything. It's just easier for me to click from here if I feel the need to check in. Does anyone agree or disagree?

anonymous said...

jug,

and if some magazine wants to do an article about that kid and pay him.. then let him get paid extra.

or if "Big Brother, Big Sister" (or some other org) wants him to be a representative for them in a commercial... let him do that too.

thats where im headed with this.

was this the guy from like GA or somewhere that ESPN ran a story about? dude's dad has never there, and their mom was a druggie or in jail now, so the older bro takes care of his little bro and has become his legal guardian?

El Padrino said...

clemson i think

Isiah Thomas said...

further to jug's comments:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2611288

anonymous said...

does this mean we should go stir crap up on shanoffs blog too?

ive given up on reading him.. he posts far too much.

jugdish said...

That was like the only time the NCAA has ever done something like that with a student athlete, and let's be honest...this issue is not really about the Clemson football player who is supporting his little brother, this is about the BMOC who wants a cut of his jersey sales, even though he is going to the NFL or NBA in a year.

These kids have choices, and they chose college. They could have gone to the minors, of the NBADL, or to play in Europe, or to the CFL.

Dikembe Meiztombo said...

Iam, I think we should leave Shanoff's blog alone. He's doing his thing and, it seems to work for him. He doesn't need to worry about anymore BS.

So, it's a shade past 11 CST, I'm off today, so I'll have a morning cocktail in honor of everyone. The quest for 300 continues tonight at Cedar Lanes...

Isiah Thomas said...

"Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention. I've just been handed an urgent and horrifying news story. I need all of you, to stop what you're doing and listen. "

Seriously, this is very disturbing. It will change the way life is as we know it.

Congress has passed a law making it illegal to use credit cards, checks or EFT to fund internet gambling. Maybe our biggest WTF ever.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-02-internet-gambling-usat_x.htm

El Padrino said...

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Isiah Thomas said...

to echo others, I'm done with DS's blog. Too manic for me. Plus there's too many "what's your best/favorite/all time greatest X" posts. IDGAF what Jimmy in Oregon thinks his best MLB moment of his life is.

El Padrino said...

back to the good old fashioned bookies

betcha mafia had something to do with this

El Padrino said...

said once, i'll say it again

fuck.shanoff.

temwr said...

ummm WTF!!!! How the hell are you going to fund it now? With cash?

anonymous said...

if gambling is so bad, why do they post the daily lists in every local newspaper?

if people wanna blow their money (in my case it'd be blowing it), then who cares.. how is gambling on sports really different than the lottery? seems like all these rules we are governed by are just certain people's way of enforcing their own opinions. these standards have no real merit.

what up?

temwr said...

I say take the link down. Add him to your favorites if you want an easy way to click to him.

He said he'd post some links to blogs if we posted his, we held up our end and he just shit on the whole thing. It's one thing to have the Sports Guy there who never said he'd link back, but Shanoff threw it out there for some free pub and never gave back.

temwr said...

From the US today article:
"The surprise passage of the law threw the online gambling industry into a tailspin Monday. Shares of publicly traded companies PartyGaming, Sportingbet and 888 Holdings tumbled in heavy trading on the London Stock Exchange, wiping out nearly $8 billion in market value. PartyGaming, the world's largest online-gambling company, said it will stop taking bets from 920,000 active U.S. customers as soon as Bush signs the proposed law. Sportingbet said it is calling off its bid for World Gaming. "

DAMN! $8B in market value gone. That is HUGE. I know market value is a somewhat ficticous valuation of a company (see internet boom/bust for examples) but at the same time it is a real loss for some unlucky investors.

El Padrino said...

skip school
be a bookie

The Rev said...

I'll tell you exactly why the government is doing this. They can't collect tax revenue on the money earned by these companies since they are offshore, so they ban it through this law.

If they could collect taxes, they'd let it go. I believe that.

Looks like I picked the right time to cash out of Bodog.com

Spaceman Spiff said...

shit we gotta cash out now or what

The Rev said...

If the mafia is involved with some string pulling, and Congress is currently under Republican leadership, and GW is signing the bill, can we draw a conclusion here?

But I don't know if the mafia overall is that powerful anymore to influence the federal govt. All the old big bosses are gone now, aren't they? I know in Philly the mafia isn't anywhere near as powerful as they used to be.

temwr said...

I think the recommendation would be to cash out now. Although there will be about 20 million people cashing out right now as well, so it is going to get messy.

This is one big frack job. I like how Frist or First or whatever his name is just tacked this thing onto another bill.

anonymous said...

Rev, the conclusion that we can draw is clearly...

that george bush hates black people.

Bryan said...

Keep it in mind after elections. If you start hearing talk about overturning the law, invest a few thousand in these same companies. Get a piece of that 8 billion on the way back up.

El Padrino said...

strong as ever here in NY buddy
believe that

they've evolved

real estate
private sanitation
constuction (staple)
gambling

Spaceman Spiff said...

cant even play poker online?

The Rev said...

This whole internet gambling thing indirectly has something to do with Iam's posting.

I say, legalize college athletes getting side jobs so they can pay taxes on the money they make. And legalize all gambling so the govt can get tax money.

While we are at it, legalize whores, drugs, independent bookies, etc. Make that tax base swell.

Can you see GW Bush signing into law the Ho Tax?

anonymous said...

zeke,
"IDGAF what Jimmy in Oregon thinks his best MLB moment of his life is."

this is exactly how i view DS's blog. it's just alot of shit that no one cares about. i dont even think people post to interact with each other (like a group discush'), they just post a thought and move on. it's like pioneers coming through, building a town, then deserting it. now it's just forgotten about.

teenage wasteland.
(cue guitar riff)

El Padrino said...

legalize weed!

really it's ridiculous that people have to sneak around just to enjoy a Philly

anonymous said...

i could support a Ho Tax.

i want my whores clean. right now, you practically gotta wear a hat anytime u pay for it.

unless she LOOKS clean..

The Rev said...

I'm sure some mafia guys hold that stuff in Philly too, but the Philly mafia took a beating down here. After Little Joey Merlino went up the river, I don't even know who runs it anymore.

Iam... good one!

Isiah Thomas said...

doesn't surprise me EP. A few months back I read a book about the NYC Garbage racket getting busted, think it was called "Takedown" or something....pretty good, an interesting read.

I'm about 80 pages or so into Michael Lewis' book, pretty good sofar.

I've read Moneyball, anyone ever read his Lewis' other books?

anonymous said...

politics and rules are such bullshit. one sect makes fake rules just because they arent profitting from it. like Bryan basically said.. when it comes back around, and they can make their money off it, then it'll be overturned.

let the Govt legalize weed too.. let them tax it.. who cares. it's safer than alcohol.

when's the last time you heard about a drunk driver? and a stoned driver?

El Padrino said...

mafia, prostitution, gambling
will be around forever
it all just evolves

like monkey's

Isiah Thomas said...

at the end of the State of the Union adress:

"I've recently passed the legalization bill, legalizing such things as paying college ath-a-leets, legalizing mary-jew-ana, and legalizing ho'ing, in closing God bless America and God bless clean whores"

temwr said...

Keeping it mind to get a piece of the pie on the way back up is a great idea.

Dikembe Meiztombo said...

Why is does it seem like TMQ's Cheerleader of the week is almost always the dog of the team?

Isiah Thomas said...

this is your brain....*egg cracking then sizzling*....this is your brain on drugs.

thejaywhite said...

college athletes should be compensated slightly..something in the neighbourhood of 400 a month...ABOVE food expenses that they already get stipends for.

I only feel this way because its hard for a varsity athlete to go to school be on a team and work. This would be like their part time job to go buy some new starburys.

The Rev said...

I doubt this is the kind of law that will be overturned after election.

Usually election time is when you see cops enforcing laws on the books already that they don't enforce all that much during the year. Seeing new laws being put on the books is something else.

It tells me that maybe the Republicans are concerned they will lose control, so now things are getting pushed through to law before they do. Just one idea.

If they are making a new law at election time, I think the law will stay on the books. Enforcing it is a different issue. Somebody might find a loophole in the end if the right wheels are greased by these companies after the election.

anonymous said...

our first Starbury reference.. i applaud the effort!

Isiah Thomas said...

my party completely dropped the ball here. No excuses.

anonymous said...

simmons.. nice re-post of your 4 year old ish.

douche.

Spaceman Spiff said...

iam, its tuesday, new stuff aint til wednesday

anonymous said...

he had to repost it recently (and i just saw it).

i just saw the link to an old article about Screech. seems like he was too lazy to write something about a recently surfaced topic, so instead dug back into his old bag of tricks.

sweet!

Dikembe Meiztombo said...

And we're under way!!!

anonymous said...

nobody picked up on this yet, but..

Christian Laettner wants to buy part of that team, and then come back and PLAY for them.

come out of his quasi-retirement by buying the team, then signing himself to play for that team.

hmm.

JFreak said...

As a current college student I say screw that, don't pay the kids. I get to sit here saddled with student loans, and they don't have to pay anything? Zero debt or 60K in debt, which would you rather have? They all can stop whining.

El Padrino said...

jfreak you chomping for Girardi or no?

Isiah Thomas said...

MLB.tv is a complete racket.

I bought just bought the postseason package (granted only $10) and when you go to watch the games they're blacked out. WTF.

Isiah Thomas said...

I get if you own it you can do whatever you want, but he sucks. He wouldn't add anything.

MJ at least gave the Bullets a little more cred than they ever had.

temwr said...
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Dikembe Meiztombo said...

Big Hurt Baby!!! YARD!

The Rev said...

Christian Laettner is Roger Dorn in Major League II.

Come on, I can't be the only one who saw that reference.

temwr said...

TMQ really sucked today. I couldn't find anything in it that was good. Usually I like at least a paragraph or two.

anonymous said...

santana has taken some licks late in the season here.. will he show up, or keep coughing up homers to the likes of Frank the Tank?

temwr said...

Apparently A-Rod is batting 6th today for the 1st time all year.

I'm not sure why you make that change on day 1 of the playoffs. I can't imagine anything good coming out of this. Well maybe that instead of going 0-4 out of the 4 hole he will go 0-4 out of the 6 hole and complain after the game that he went 0-4 because of the move, not because he is anti-clutch.

temwr said...

Frank the Tank is a legitimate MVP candidate this year. Top 5. No shame is getting taken deep by him.

El Padrino said...

marco scutaro doubled off johan to score payton

2-0

thomas went yard already

anonymous said...

2-0 oakland.

temwr said...

Giving up two baggers to Scutaro is not acceptable though.

temwr said...

This seems like a good time for a running diary from someone. The 1st ever LOV running diary.

Isiah Thomas said...

my hatred for John Hollinger grows with each word he types.

El Padrino said...

if i had a visual i would do it

i'm gamecasting it now but no visual

El Padrino said...

he's a toolbag

Isiah Thomas said...

create a new thread for it, should be interesting

Isiah Thomas said...

I'd do it but MLB.tv is a fucking scam.

El Padrino said...

deadspin is blogging live for the game

http://www.deadspin.com/sports/baseball/live-playoff-blog-twins-vs-as-game-one-204874.php

anonymous said...

whatever moves make the Yankees worse, i will take.. my Tigs are gonna be gang raped Blood and Crip-style and im not happy about it.

Isiah Thomas said...

I'm very bitter about mlb.tv.

El Padrino said...

looking at chavez's numbers
man he really blew this year

thejaywhite said...

jfreak..and where do u go to school?

anonymous said...

jfreak, train to run a 4.4/40 and youll be able to secure an endorsement deal too.

Isiah Thomas said...

I forgot about this...

re: online gambling....

I tried making a cc deposit to a site one time and my card blocked those type of companies...to get around it I had to buy a "calling card" from a company which I could then use to re-up my account.

I'm sure gambling sites will just go to these types of work arounds.

Isiah Thomas said...

I don't think the bill covered things like epassorte.com or neteller.com either....

no need to cash out just yet I think.

El Padrino said...

zito
no hitter thru 4

anonymous said...

zito.. sparking thoughts of years past, before he fell into obscurity.

ToddPacker said...

As much as I like Lastings, sometimes I wish the Mets would have pulled the trigger to rent Zito for the rest of the season.

Isiah Thomas said...

every K should be followed with a "cha ching" cash register noise on tv....he'll be lights out this postseason then parlay that into a $100 mil deal somewhere.

El Padrino said...

i was all for it TP
still amazed we didnt

but we'll sing him in the off-season for 5 yr- 66MM deal

Isiah Thomas said...

I'm not a Mets fan and kept hearing all this "don't deal Milledge" noise...then I saw the guy. What is he 5'8'' 150 lbs?

"Hot prospects" equate to hot turds in my book. Give me proven commodities any day of the week. (stolen from Cowherd)

El Padrino said...

if anyone hasnt noticed i dont spell check anything that includes my posts

El Padrino said...

well Wright and Reyes
turned out great
but your right, you never know
look at Alex Escobar
Pulsipher
Wilson
Isringhausen

Isiah Thomas said...

I think we've got 200 in us today.

Spaceman Spiff said...

you jinx

JFreak said...

Yeah ElP, I'm feeling Giradi for the new manager. He does well with teams that shouldn't do anything. So he should be a great fit for the Cubs.

And regarding my 40 time, like I said earlier, I'm training to be a kicker, 40 times are optional.

Isiah Thomas said...

just checked DS's blog...he's pimping "his" AL MVP pick Frank Thomas.

LOV had that bandwagon going days before he did.

anonymous said...

2-hundo easy during the playoffs.

Isiah Thomas said...

Let's hope I didn't mush 200.

anonymous said...

no-no through 5.

cha-ching!

Isiah Thomas said...

is he going don larsen or just michael jackson (touching the no-no spot)?

whocares said...

Zeke,

If you pay the online gambilng sites with pre-paid phone cards, how do you get the money back?

As a guy who quit gambling after college but am looking to dabble back in, I need some guidance...

Isiah Thomas said...

alright maybe it was just me on the Big Hurt MVP bandwagon but still...

I feel shame for having DS pimp that, it almost invalidates what I said.

ToddPacker said...

Zeke,

I think the mets are still kicking themselves in the ass for the Kazmir deal and feel a little gun shy.

The Rev said...

BTW... I've cleaned up the links.

If you link to us, you will get a link. If you support us here in conversation, you will get a link.

You have to tell me that you want it though. I'm easy when it comes to linkage. I just want the favor returned.

Shanoff will not be linked here until he gets his links up and they include us.

anonymous said...

guyz, we're apart of iNsTaNT hiZToRy!!!!!111!!

The Rev said...

I may have to take a late lunch at a local sports bar to see this Zito game if it keeps up.

Isiah Thomas said...

I'm not sure about withdrawing it. I'd assume you could get a check or eft to your bank.

anonymous said...

and the title for Shanoff's link will read "dip your balls here".

Isiah Thomas said...

I've seen sites want to credit your original card/account you bought in with, some will cut you a check or do an eft regardless of deposit source.

I'm thinking if they did a work-around they'd cut you a check or put your money into neteller or the like.

I'd use Neteller myself.

Isiah Thomas said...

iam is on a roll today. Cyber standing O iam.

El Padrino said...

no-no
bye-bye

rondell white
WTF?

Isiah Thomas said...

who is this ESPN Ombudsman (sp)?

the guy seems like a fag if you ax me.

Isiah Thomas said...

nice work rev.

El Padrino said...

TP- you cant say the K word bro
cmon

Isiah Thomas said...

so Zito lost his Michael Jackson to Rondell White? WTF indeed.

JFreak said...

haha...Frank Thomas almost got thrown out.

Spaceman Spiff said...

did DS even mention 'his' jags?

JFreak said...

at first base...on a ball to the right fielder.

temwr said...

Ombudsman? Is that his name or his job title? I never knew so I never read anything he wrote.

El Padrino said...

R. White double to deep right

I did a double take

no he didnt
cuz he's a coward
and he doesnt pick with spreads which makes him such a puss from pussville

JFreak said...

Ombudsman is the job title.

temwr said...
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temwr said...

what the hell is an ombudsman? Sounds like some sort of flower grower or something.

Free tip for the WWL: If I have to look up any word in the article title, or the title of the dude writing it, then I am not going to read that article.

temwr said...

I am on the Big Hurt for MVP bandwagon.

Alot of that has to do with my being big time on the ABJ bandwagon.

Hurt, Dye, Santana, Mauer, the other M guy, Anyone But Jeter.

ToddPacker said...

EL P

Sorry, the K word just slipped out.

Even though I grew up in NY, my family transplanted down to the Tampa area years ago, and as sad as this may sound, I'm also a D-Rays fan, so at least I can still cheer for Scotty K.

Spaceman Spiff said...

marlins worked quick, hired 3rd base braves coach already

anonymous said...

TP, do u get season tickets for cheap, so therefore you go to the games... or are you claiming to be an actual FAN of the Devil Rays?

El Padrino said...

i forgive
go DRAYS!

Big SEC game Sat...also
unrelated this is my favorite time of year

playoff baseball
college football in full swing
pro's just gettin warmed up
nba training camp
end of year golf tourney's

El Padrino said...

loria is an idiot
i hope they lose 120 games next year

temwr said...

And the Chase El P. Give the Chase some love.

temwr said...

What's the over under on days until Giradi gets hired somewhere else? 4?

JFreak said...

Giradi better come to the Cubs. The fans will be pissed with anyone else.

El Padrino said...

Nextel Cup Chase?
sure why not

Spaceman Spiff said...

rondell has zitos number

Dikembe Meiztombo said...

I love Rondell White's HR stroke. It's so violent.

The Rev said...

I was down in Tampa for spring training in 2005, and saw a Devil Rays and Phils game in exhibition at the Rays spring training field.

I remember ticket sellers were walking through the stands hawking opening day tickets to the Rays for $5 apiece, and they were official sellers for the team.

It's that bad, isn't it?

El Padrino said...

nobody has a more violent swing then Gary Sheffield

JFreak said...

At least they have more than 5000 people. Official attendance for Anibal Sanchez's no-hitter was like 4900-something.

ToddPacker said...

My brother is actually friends with some people that work for the Rays, so no I don't EVER pay to see the Rays play.

Yes, El P huge game, I think I'm going to take friday off to get to Gainesville a little early. LSU Fans are awesome to party with, and I think I want to get ahead start on the weekend. Not sure what the spread is, but I don't have a good feeling about UF this weekend. If the do however get past LSU this weekend, look the fuck out. Besides an underachieving Georgia team and a tough game at FSU, it might be time to look into flights/hotels for early January

anonymous said...

it'd be cool to get season tickets for super cheap and then just go when all the good teams come to town.

but it'd be a pain to watch a team like tampa.

El Padrino said...

FLORIDA +2

El Padrino said...

uh-oh
1 out
man on 2nd
bottom eight

huston street
warming.............

Dikembe Meiztombo said...

Big Frank Bitches!!! M-V-P! M-V-P! M-V-P!

El Padrino said...

got out if it
zito the magician
onto the NINTH!

El Padrino said...

holy shit he homered again

temwr said...

When is MVP voting? 2HRs in this game is big for that voting if it hasn't already happened.

Peforming in the clutch is key and the playoffs are as clutch as it gets.

JFreak said...

Think the Twins can win one for Puckett?

anonymous said...

EYE dont SEE why not.

ba-dum-bum

anonymous said...

wasnt the Tank signed to just a one year deal?

if so....

JFreak said...

Okay, so comeback or not for the Twins?

I'm saying yes.

anonymous said...

i'll say not today

El Padrino said...

not today
tough one to lose too
santana at home
brutal

El Padrino said...

zito was lights out

ToddPacker said...

Going to the Trop when other big teams are in town kind of sucks. When the Yanks or Sox are in town it's basically a home game for the road team. I've been to games when it was 80-20 yankee fans to rays fans. Of course the Bucs and Lightning had the same problem years ago. Winning usually converts transplants and locals to root for the home team, and I don't see the Rays winning anytime soon (as long as there in the AL East)

anonymous said...

yeah thats gotta demoralize. wasnt Santana supposed to be the one guaranteed win? everybody else is kinda eh...

El Padrino said...

cuddyer tripled to right

JFreak said...

Last out.

Hero Rondell White up.

El Padrino said...

3-2 cuddyer scored
2 out though

JFreak said...

Darn.

Frank Thomas MVP.

El Padrino said...

ballgame
A's lead 1-0

anonymous said...

and the collective Twins community rests their hopes on the likes of Boof Bonzer.

jugdish said...

Isn't that the chick from Teen Wolf?

jugdish said...

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